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Re: There is NO EXCUSE for being an ILLEGAL chilton

Ray Fischer wrote:
> J. J. Farrell <jjf@bcs.org.uk> wrote:
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> J. J. Farrell <jjf@bcs.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>> Immigration offenses are not a criminal offense.
>>>> Since when?
>>> Quite a while.
>>>
>>>> Are you claiming that 8USC1325 has been repealed or
>>>> overturned?
>>> I suggest that you read it.  Carefully.
>> I've read it carefully may times over the years. It's pretty clear and
>> straightforward. If you have read it carefully and genuinely believe
>> that entering the USA without proper inspection is not a criminal
>> offense, then you have comprehension problems. You are wrong.
>>
>>> Note paragraph (b) that
>>> states that it is a civil offense to entering the country without
>>> permission.
>> Noted, but how is that relevant to this discussion?
>
> Um, if entering the country without permission is a civil offense then
> how  it's a civil offense.

I've no idea what you're trying to say here, that sentence makes no sense.

>> We are talking about
>> the criminal offenses, which are specified in subsection (a) and cover
>> more cases.
>
> But you need to cover ALL the cases.  EVERY "illegal" alien.  Not all,
> or even most, are criminals except to rabid extremists.
>
> [..]
>> It is not a criminal offense under 8USC1325 to enter as a visitor with
>> the intention of leaving before the end of the admission period, but
>> subsequently change your mind and overstay.
>
> Then it is not true that all "illegal" aliens are criminals.

They aren't all criminal under 8USC1325; for the small minority in
question, I don't know the status of their offenses under the other
statutes.

> It isn't even true that most of them are criminals because they're
> not treated as criminals.

Don't be silly.

>> Such people are liable to
>> arrest deportation and re-entry ban under other laws and regulations,
>> but I'm not sure of the status of their action. The small minority of
>> illegal immigrants who are in this category
>
> It's not a small number.

What are the numbers? It's certainly a small minority as I said, and
I'll be surprised if it's a large absolute number. Bear in mind that
many people will claim to be in this category who actually had intention
to stay when they entered. Also bear in mind that a common reason for
being in this category is falling in love with someone after entering
the USA and deciding to stay with them. If they subsequently marry a USC
and receive a Green Card by marriage, the offenses associated with the
unplanned overstay are forgiven and they become legal immigrants.

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