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Re: Thumbs Up for Expelled

"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
news:RpydnbYbVP7e1HTVnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@ptd.net...
> Thommadura wrote:
>
> > monkfish wrote:
> >> Thommadura wrote:
> >>
> >>> monkfish wrote:
> >>>> Thommadura wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> monkfish wrote:
> >>>>>> Thommadura wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "Thommadura"
<tommadura@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:48dc7219$0$4885$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >>>>>>>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> "bob young"
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>> news:48D87B0C.66748818@netvigator.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>     False. Christ proven Himself
on the cross of Calvary.
Only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>     you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>>>> unsupported categorical
assertions.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Prove there was ever a cross or a
Jesus.
> >>>>>>>>>>> You cannot of course, what you rely on
is handmedowns,
> >>>>>>>>>>> padded out by your own religio'
ambitions and imaginary 'add
> >>>>>>>>>>> ons'. Sad really
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob
> >>>>>>>>>>> Humanist, atheist, realist,
sentimentalist, Brit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>    We have extensive accounts of Christ,
yet you harbour this
> >>>>>>>>>>    idée
> >>>>>>>>>> fixe that Jesus never existed, citing no
authoritative opinion,
> >>>>>>>>>> nor evidence nor theory, beyond standard
atheist doctrine that
> >>>>>>>>>> is.
> >>>>>>>>>>    When will you start evidencing your
assertions?
> >>>>>>>>> When are you going to realize that you are
wrong.
> >>>>>>>>> There are NO mentions of the christ by
non-religious sources
> >>>>>>>>> contemporary to the christ.
> >>>>>>>>    Why would anyone looking for fame and fortune
write about a
> >>>>>>>>    penniless
> >>>>>>>> itinerant preacher with a congregation of 12, but
no building,
who
> >>>>>>>> got himself killed for no good reason? Would
anyone today bother
to
> >>>>>>>> write about such a one, or would he get any
mention in the news?
> >>>>>>>> I.e. scores of people claim to be healed at Benny
Hinn's
> >>>>>>>> gatherings, but how many historians write about
Benny Hinn, or
how
> >>>>>>>> many of those claiming healings get into the news?
> >>>>>>>>    Now prove your point for once!!! "you are
wrong" indeed!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>>> Quoting your atheist sources proves nothing.
> >>>>>>> But you see - there was no penniless itinerant
preacher - it is
just
> >>>>>>> as much a con job as Benny Hinn is.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> THere still remains not a single mention of the christ
contemporary
> >>>>>>> to his time from a non-religious source - and -
interestingly -
even
> >>>>>>> from other religious sources.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Some of the dead sea scrolls were contemporary to the
time of the
> >>>>>>> christ -but none mention him.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We have no fragments of the bible NT that date before
about 70AD
> >>>>>>> that can be dated. We have NO source material at all
for any of
the
> >>>>>>> bible. We have quotes from the christ from Luke and
Paul - who say
> >>>>>>> they never saw him - yet - no author of the quotes is
mentioned -
as
> >>>>>>> is the case in most of the bible. We have gospels
according to
> >>>>>>> "whoever" but no identified author of most
of it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You are the one claiming that your "fearless
leader" existed.
> >>>>>>> However - you have made that up just like you made up
your own
> >>>>>>> religion - based on your own definition of your god -
and based on
> >>>>>>> the parts of the fabricated bible you choose to
include in your
> >>>>>>> belief. You yourself have dismissed parts of the bible
as fraud.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It proves one thing - you are just another part of the
con.
> >>>>>> Don't even worry about the bible for now.
> >>>>>> You seem to think you know all about
> >>>>>> what it means for non-believers not to believe in God.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you have any idea what it means
> >>>>>> for believers to believe in God?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Yes - they bought into the fraud~!
> >>>>
> >>>> How would you know?
> >>>> You don't appear to have ever believed in God.
> >>> You know - your memory need checking - maybe Alzheimers or some other
> >>> dementia is setting in. YOu really need to see a doctor.
> >>>
> >>> You SHOULD remember that I was a theists for more than 50 years before
I
> >>> discovered that they were a fraud.
> >>>
> >>>> Doesn't it take doubts to detect faith?
> >>>
> >>> It took a lot of doubt building up over lots of years before I
> >>> discovered that religions and gods were false.
> >>>
> >>> Even then - I became an agnostic - I will believe in every god you can
> >>> provide physically testable and verifiable evidence of existence.
> >>> However - to date - there are none that qualify. Your especially is a
> >>> huge fraud over thousands of years and billions of people - but is
> >>> finally waning.
> >>
> >>
> >> Why on earth do you need to believe that
> >> God has to be "physically testable and verifiable"?
> >
> >
> > IF an all everything god cannot be physically testable and verifiable -
> > then the god is not all everything - period.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> If you believed so while you were a theist,
> >> that means you never understood what it means
> >> to believe in God.
> >
> > That is not true - it was not until I stopped believing in unprovable
> > gods that I understood that believing in them was a delusion.
> >
> > When you stop believing - and you will some day - you will fell the same
> > way.
>
>
> Many people are not raised as Christians
> but choose to become one much later in life.

Many people are raised as theists and choose to stop believing in gods and
religions completely - later in life - when their parents are not in
control.



>
> I'm afraid you never had the chance
> to properly understand what it means
> to believe in God.

Actually - You are wrong - I learned very well what it meant to believe in
gods - and I stopped doing it.

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