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Re: Alt.coffee is dead; long live alt.coffee (somewhere else)

bogus wrote:
> Marshall wrote:
>> As some of you have written or implied recently, the reasons for
>> returning to this place become fewer every week. At this point I read
>> more out of sentimental habit than for any other reason. There are
>> also a handful of regulars who are worth reading and who don't seem to
>> post anywhere else on coffee topics (you know who you are).
>>
>> I think I have been pretty consistent in not replying to any of the
>> miscreants who have made this place so unpleasant; but, as Andy noted,
>> too many people just can't resist.
>>
>> The moderated forums have their drawbacks, but they do a pretty good
>> job of filtering out blatantly antisocial personalities. Of course,
>> that means those troubled folks get concentrated here, where they can
>> play without adult supervision.
>>
>> So, consider this a plea. If you have constructive contributions to
>> make and can get along with others, give Home-barista, Coffee Geek or
>> the other sites a try. It will save my ever having to look at this
>> place again and see the ruin it has become, and I suspect I am not the
>> only person who would appreciate it.
>>
>> It really pains me to write this, as alt.coffee has meant so much to
>> me. It was the source of many friends, much of my coffee education and
>> my entree to SCAA. I often refer on other forums to things I learned
>> here. But, it isn't constructive to confuse memories with reality.
>> This place is just plain nasty.
>>
>> Come join me elsewhere.
>>
>> Marshall (sadly)
>
>
>
> 1. As a newbie seeking information, I was consistently directed to
> alt.coffee. I suspect other newbs will be similarly advised, and may
> loose "momentum" or interest if alt.coffee disappears.
>
> 2. TBH, this place seems pretty spam free compared with others. In those
> other cases, we simply ignore the squabbles - rather like ignoring ugly
> graffiti placed on public walls.
>
> 3. But I do take your point on one thing: I just looked at earlier
> alt.coffee listings, and do see a friendlier, livelier, more positive
> place.
>
> If you're serious about leaving alt.coffee, then 'twould be useful to
> state the new location specifically! A non-specific list will simply
> disperse the folks you want to keep. Also, some of us newbs know only
> alt.coffee, barista, and Coffeegeek - and don't know the other places.
> (Could the "regulars" be already meeting "elsewhere", and we
don't know
> where?)
>
> i.e.  where is "elsewhere"?
>
>
>

a.c hasn't died, it just ain't what it used to be.  Actually, it never
really was what it used to be.  There were always squabbles and flames
and accusations, etc., that's part of the charm of usenet.  I think some
of us oldies have lost sight of that.  A few things happened, Madeleine
Page died, the internet grew and evolved, old friends picked up new
interests -- kids, careers, what have you -- and sailed off into the
www.  To those who rail on that the demise of a.c was caused by this
poster or that one, your view is myopic.  Some of the detractors were
and are worse than the alleged offenders.

To answer your question, elsewhere for coffee info and chatter is
probably Home Barista, Coffeegeek and Greencoffee.coop

R "whatever" TF

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