A Few Details
Von: Yardbird (yardbird@hod.aarg.net) [Profil]
Datum: 03.03.2009 03:56
Message-ID: <67d3287ef6e3b7bb2dd626725f924b66@pseudo.borked.net>
Newsgroup: alt.fan.yardbird
Datum: 03.03.2009 03:56
Message-ID: <67d3287ef6e3b7bb2dd626725f924b66@pseudo.borked.net>
Newsgroup: alt.fan.yardbird
Maybe not the details you wanted, expected or thought, but maybe something you would like to know. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There are some things you will never hear about from the cops or those arrested; the former because those things either make them look bad (or make their case seem weak) or because they are "sleuthing secrets" that, if made public, would reveal "deals" that may have been made; the latter, of course, because they are prohibited from doing so - or even using the internet. A "history" of the group would be redundant and boring, so now I will tell you what no one else will. 1. The money we collected was never used to purchase anything. Rarely individual members purchased things and shared them, but the money in the account we collected *as a group* was confiscated when our egold account was seized in early 2007, and later attempts to use another financial service were cut off when the funds we sent for deposit were never deposited. We had a middle man in privacy.li that accepted the money orders at an address in Canada, but after the original seizure no further deposits were made. We thought that perhaps the privacy.li guy was pocketting the money, but in retrospect I believe that LEA intercepted the money - either with or without the knowledge of privacy.li. Helen resigned as CFO effective January 23, 2007, more than a year before the bust, and turned over all duties and responsibilities to me. I was the "treasurer" at the time of the bust, but there was no money in the account. I dealt directly with Adminus at privacy.li via his email address John@hitrust.net. Adminus was supposed to notify me when deposits were received, but he claimed to have never received the deposits via the Canadian address. 2. The adage "follow the money" does not apply. There was no trail since we used money orders with precautions (as one would to create an anonymous account). I deposited hundreds of my own dollars (which were, of course, lost), but clearly they could not connect me to the deposits. 3. If you're wondering how LEA made the connection between the posts and the individuals, remember that we used strategies to anonymize our posts. There were two main strategies: SSH tunnels and Tor/remailers. I used the latter. Many others used the former. Everyone I know that used privacy.li exclusively was arrested. Everyone I know that used Tor/remailers exclusively is still free. Have I made myself clear? 4. There was never any "private material" that was produced or shared with one exception. One member posted 3 pictures of a neighbor girl for the group. Helen and I advised him that this was a very bad move even with all of our precautions, but that was not long before the bust, and I think that single act probably precipitated the bust (although there was no lack of evidence before that time). 5. Following on #4, most of what we shared was available on usenet either as we were sharing it or shortly before or after, even the individually "Purchased" material. For example, we had vids of Valia a couple of months before they were posted, but very little unique material. 6. I was the gatekeeper. 7. There were some members who are not in the rolls, did not have additional nicknames, and did not communicate via the usenet group du jure. They communicated directly with me not using the group's "text key." 8. We discussed the possibility of a mole. I speculated that even if there was a mole, we should all have been using anonymous posting methods and so I did not expect any major repercussions regardless, just as I didn't expect the egold account to lead back to anyone despite the fact that the account had been seized by the FBI. - From the FAQ for the Group: ********************************************************************** ************** Q4. How do I know I can trust you? A4. Simple answer--"Trust Nobody!" No matter how well planned and organized the group is there is always the possibility that something can go wrong. Members can and will occasionally screw up. Plus there is always the risk of being infiltrated. This is why all members are encouraged to remain anonymous to each other and to exercise good personal security. When posting to the group you should exercise the same precautions and safety measures that you might use for open posts. The more secure you are, the better. In this way: 1. You are protected in case there is a mole in the group. 2. We can all learn from your methods of posting; whether you trust a specific service, use anonymous proxies, use remailers, forged headers, etc. Whatever the case make sure that you are doing it correctly in the event that someone in the group screws up, or gets caught, or is actually LEA. ********************************************************************** *************** The screening process for new members did not fail (which is not to say it couldn't have). A member who was arrested on "unrelated child pornography charges" volunteered information regarding the group (presumably in exchange for a lighter sentence). It was not unforseen, but for many the fundamental means of maintaining their anonymity (SSH tunnel) was compromised. For others it was not (tor/remailers). Would I do anything differently? Of course. Especially given what I know now. Perhaps I had enough uneasy feelings that I took precautions others may not have felt necessary. I did try to get people to use tor and remailers, but the inconvenience and unreliability were unbearable for those who were accustomed to using SSH tunnels. About 1-2 days before the bust was posted, I wrote to (what was left of) the group that I would be leaving usenet. I see no reason to think that was the wrong decision. If you must play, decide upon three things at the start: the rules of the game, the stakes, and the quitting time. - Chinese Proverb I have witnessed the internet's (and usenet's) full circle from birth, to the carefree heyday years of abep-t, through the semi-softcore hussy years and then the sputtering intermittent posts of individuals in obscure and largely off-topic labeled groups. Sites like Ranchi, gaijin and others have come and gone, and the stakes have become unacceptably high for many including me. Although there will likely be sporadic posts, a return to the freewheeling posts of yesteryear is not in the cards barring some major changes in the laws regarding child pornography. For a group to be successful, it would require extraordinary measures that may eventually be compromised. Eliminating the mistakes of the past will not lessen the risks for the future. My curiosity is satisfied, my life, freedom and family are intact, and my privacy is undiminished. But the quitting time has arrived. Yardbird. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQEUAwUBSas1tCiKTNlSgb07AQFBoQf4pNm1vxJb8p3RFdTKZHbagAWAcdqTYgBR vc9sSMf+HJ8wibkjwytvUcIVdFmShyD4WGX5Ao7kfiiqJAFVw7xDDSD1tZ/GMuJd ip72hFDYJhiVKUL7EmaXoqlvjvZi5jGmGrDwbRkbpbakgbUlYmZ4itOwElND1PwF znHjn4Sred44/Yie3jrPt1VsLJNcU3RDZznO9/TnJefnfRnKdAz2QowvoK8Wae51 Tnt0pfSENxBPKMwprjaF9lUa+Av2Gp+Zqdn+5q3awsnNTHIehR4+ljq12tW2wBFV XHK2kTeaPxnVfvyNOS01T0bSceGI17L/OAgyPr6HRUd0Zd6Byn9P =2qea -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----[ Auf dieses Posting antworten ]
Antworten
- Anonymous (03.03.2009 23:51)
- Yardbird (04.03.2009 02:45)
- Frank Merlott (04.03.2009 04:39)
