Re: 2x10 versus 2x12


L.A. Fryiot wrote:
> bluesman56 wrote:
>> "Squier" <squier@strats.net> wrote in message
>> news:010920082252111596%squier@strats.net...
>>>> RichL <rpleavitt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Squier <squier@strats.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do you know how the speaker efficiencies compare?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> well the 2x10 is loaded with Celestion G10 Greenbacks which are 97
>>> db @ 1 watt
>>> and the 2x12 is loaded with Eminence Texas Heat which are 99-100 db
>>> @ 1 watt.
>>>
>>> Here's the thing though - the Texas Heats seem to sound great at any
>>> volume.
>>> They (of course) add in their own color to the sound but it pretty
>>> much stays consistent.  Eminence states that they need at least 5
>>> watts to get to specs and after that they take up to 150 watts. The Mark
>>> III can play soft or loud with these and once I set the
>>> tone I can just up the Master and it stays very consistent. I don't
>>> have to deal with speaker break up as another variable to deal with
>>> as the volume/power increases. However - it seems the G10 Greenbacks
>>> have a sweet spot in volume
>>> and anything less and they sound like shrill crap with a slightly
>>> grinding bottom end.   Play them too loud and it's all breakup -
>>> but they get a little
>>> too loud for some places and some songs really don't do well with
>>> the greenback breakup (although if you step back the sound really
>>> swirls around
>>> and sounds good about 20 feet away or more).  But there is no 'in
>>> between' when I back off the volume all that nice grind and breakup
>>> comes to a halt and what's left is a somewhat shrill wimpy washed
>>> out sound. (at least in the mix it can suddenly sit way too far
>>> down and it's like I'm playing but there's no apparent sound coming
>>> out well ok - you know what I mean). So the thing is that unless I can
>>> stay at that sweet spot all the
>>> time then the Greenbacks just don't cut it.  Maybe good for
>>> original artists or for playing rock that wants those tones and at
>>> that volume/sweet spot but for covers and then backing down for the
>>> slow dance tunes and for some funk and R&B then they leave he sweet
>>> spot and it's a washout. The nice part is that because they are not all
>>> that efficient you
>>> also get to crank up the amp's power section a bit more which is
>>> cool. But ah well - they just offer a very narrow sweet spot and the
>>> tones
>>> are constantly changing throughout the set list as the volume
>>> changes through the song set(s).  When we practice in the basement
>>> we actually tend to play a bit louder than we actually do playing
>>> out and so I never realized completely how important (or how
>>> narrow) that sweet spot is with these speakers.
>>>
>>> The Texas Heats let me keep the same tone(s) throughout the volume
>>> range of what we play.  And even when I back off the guitar volume
>>> to sit back I still get that consistent slight grit but sweet
>>> sounds from that 2x12. It's not that the 2x10 is a bad cab - it's just
>>> that the sweet spot
>>> is way too narrow for it to sound good in a wide mix of songs or
>>> range of venues where the sweet spot might be too loud or not
>>> enough. (when I REALLY crank it and unleash the wattage into it
>>> then the G10 Greenies
>>> start to really breakup and just fall apart - some might like it
>>> but the breakup at that point is way too severe sounding for my
>>> ears and my bandmates)
>>>
>> Could the 2x10s be out of phase with your amp? I had this happen
>> with my 2x10. When kicked on, the volume actually dropped. After
>> checking and correcting...The difference was night and day.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
> That's IT. :-) mvm

Umm...  Squier, IIRC, has a Mark III head .. nothing for the speakers to be
out of phase with.  So, that's not "IT".

Don
[ Auf dieses Posting antworten ]