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Von: buckeye (buckeyeelo@nospam.net) [Profil]
Datum: 16.10.2009 09:51
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Newsgroup: alt.history alt.society.liberalism alt.fan.rush-limbaugh alt.religion.christian alt.atheism alt.education alt.politics.usa.constitution
John Adams (1735-1826)
President of the United States (1797-1801)
A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of
America, 1787
http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Reading_Revolutions/Adams.html

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1828.sorabji.com > Webster's 1828 English Dictionary

Browse Webster's 1828 Dictionary
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Noah Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language is regarded
by many as the finest English dictionary ever published. The dictionary is
available in many forms. I made the content available here for my own
purposes, out of personal admiration for this particular dictionary.

Government

GOV'ERNMENT, n. Direction; regulation. These precepts will serve for the
government of our conduct.
1. Control; restraint. Men are apt to neglect the government of their
temper and passions.
2. The exercise of authority; direction and restraint exercised over the
actions of men in communities, societies or states; the administration of
public affairs, according to established constitution, laws and usages, or
by arbitrary edicts. Prussia rose to importance under the government of
Frederick II.
3. The exercise of authority by a parent or householder. Children are often
ruined by a neglect of government in parents. Let family government be like
that of our heavenly Father, mild, gentle and affectionate.
4. The system of polity in a state; that form of fundamental rules and
principles by which a nation or state is governed, or by which individual
members of a body politic are to regulate their social actions; a
constitution, either written or unwritten, by which the rights and duties
of citizens and public officers are prescribed and defined; as a monarchial
government, or a republican government.
Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people
alone, without the pretence of miracle or mystery, are a great point gained
in favor of the rights of mankind.
5. An empire, kingdom or state; any territory over which the right of
sovereignty is extended.
6. The right of governing or administering the laws. The king of England
vested the government of Ireland in the lord lieutenant.
7. The persons or council which administer the laws of a kingdom or state;
executive power.
8. Manageableness; compliance; obsequiousness.
9. Regularity of behavior. [Not in use.]
10. Management of the limbs or body. [Not in use.]
11. In grammar, the influence of a word in regard to construction,as when
established usage required that one word should cause another to be in a
particular case or mode.
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Look at the second part of # 4.
That comes from the following:

John Adams: Defence of the Constitutions: Preface
http://www.constitution.org/jadams/ja1_pre.htm
Grosvenor Square, January 1, 1787.

Preface
[excerpts]
" The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example
of governments erected on the simple principles of nature: and if men are
now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture,
hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an æra in
their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American
governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or
America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be
pretended that any persons employed in that service had any interviews with
the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of heaven, any more
than those at work upon ships or houses, or labouring in merchandize or
agriculture: it will for ever be acknowledged that these governments were
contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses. . ."

"Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people
alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, which are destined to
spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a
great point gained in favour of the rights of mankind. The experiment is
made, and has completely succeeded: it can no longer be called in question,
whether authority in magistrates, and obedience of citizens, can be
grounded on reason, morality, and the Christian religion, without the
monkery of priests, or the knavery of politicians. As the writer was
personally acquainted with most of the gentlemen in each of the states, who
had the principal share in the first draughts, the following letters were
really written to lay before the gentleman to whom they are addressed, a
specimen of that kind of reading and reasoning which produced the American
constitutions. . . "
[end excerpt]

by: John Adams
(1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President
Source:

"A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of
America" (1787-88)
http://www.constitution.org/jadams/ja1_00.htm

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James Madison also denied any "heavenly" involvement in the creation of the
USA.
Madison's "Who are the Best Keepers of the People's Liberties?" (1792)
http://candst.tripod.com/madlib.htm

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You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning.  Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic."  New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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James Veverka wrote:
One of the ways to counter the attack on American Constitutional principles
by the religious right is to address their revisionism, misinformation and
distortions.

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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

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