No Religious roots to USA
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John Adams (1735-1826) President of the United States (1797-1801) A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787 http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Reading_Revolutions/Adams.html ****************************************************************** http://1828.sorabji.com/1828/words/g/government.html 1828.sorabji.com > Webster's 1828 English Dictionary Browse Webster's 1828 Dictionary A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Noah Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language is regarded by many as the finest English dictionary ever published. The dictionary is available in many forms. I made the content available here for my own purposes, out of personal admiration for this particular dictionary. Government GOV'ERNMENT, n. Direction; regulation. These precepts will serve for the government of our conduct. 1. Control; restraint. Men are apt to neglect the government of their temper and passions. 2. The exercise of authority; direction and restraint exercised over the actions of men in communities, societies or states; the administration of public affairs, according to established constitution, laws and usages, or by arbitrary edicts. Prussia rose to importance under the government of Frederick II. 3. The exercise of authority by a parent or householder. Children are often ruined by a neglect of government in parents. Let family government be like that of our heavenly Father, mild, gentle and affectionate. 4. The system of polity in a state; that form of fundamental rules and principles by which a nation or state is governed, or by which individual members of a body politic are to regulate their social actions; a constitution, either written or unwritten, by which the rights and duties of citizens and public officers are prescribed and defined; as a monarchial government, or a republican government. Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without the pretence of miracle or mystery, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind. 5. An empire, kingdom or state; any territory over which the right of sovereignty is extended. 6. The right of governing or administering the laws. The king of England vested the government of Ireland in the lord lieutenant. 7. The persons or council which administer the laws of a kingdom or state; executive power. 8. Manageableness; compliance; obsequiousness. 9. Regularity of behavior. [Not in use.] 10. Management of the limbs or body. [Not in use.] 11. In grammar, the influence of a word in regard to construction,as when established usage required that one word should cause another to be in a particular case or mode. ****************************************************************** Look at the second part of # 4. That comes from the following: John Adams: Defence of the Constitutions: Preface http://www.constitution.org/jadams/ja1_pre.htm Grosvenor Square, January 1, 1787. Preface [excerpts] " The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature: and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an æra in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had any interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of heaven, any more than those at work upon ships or houses, or labouring in merchandize or agriculture: it will for ever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses. . ." "Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favour of the rights of mankind. The experiment is made, and has completely succeeded: it can no longer be called in question, whether authority in magistrates, and obedience of citizens, can be grounded on reason, morality, and the Christian religion, without the monkery of priests, or the knavery of politicians. As the writer was personally acquainted with most of the gentlemen in each of the states, who had the principal share in the first draughts, the following letters were really written to lay before the gentleman to whom they are addressed, a specimen of that kind of reading and reasoning which produced the American constitutions. . . " [end excerpt] by: John Adams (1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President Source: "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88) http://www.constitution.org/jadams/ja1_00.htm ****************************************************** James Madison also denied any "heavenly" involvement in the creation of the USA. Madison's "Who are the Best Keepers of the People's Liberties?" (1792) http://candst.tripod.com/madlib.htm *************************************************************** You are invited to check out the following: The Rise of the Theocratic States of America http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm American Theocrats - Past and Present http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html [and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of Church and State in general, listed below] HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/ *************************************************************** . . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner, 256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.). Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992) . . . **************************************************************** James Veverka wrote: One of the ways to counter the attack on American Constitutional principles by the religious right is to address their revisionism, misinformation and distortions. **************************************************************** USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote "You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your only clue. Get the facts!" That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies. It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at almost every media turn. ***************************************************************** THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html ****************************************************************[ Auf dieses Posting antworten ]
