We Offer History #32 (for the history challenged)
Von: buckeye (buckeyeelo@nospam.net) [Profil]
Datum: 01.11.2009 13:08
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JANUARY 29, 1817 TO CHARLES THOMSON 383 To Charles Thomson MY VERY DEAR AND ANTIENT FRIEND Monticello Jan. 29. 17 I learnt from your last letter, wich much affliction, the severe and singular attack your health has lately sustained; but it's equally singular and sudden restoration confirms my confidence in the strength of your constitution of body and mind, and my conclusion that neither has recieved hurt, and that you are still ours for a long time to come. We have both much to he thankful for in the soundness of our physical organisation, and something for self-approbation in the order and regularity of life by which it has been preserved. Your preceding letter had given me no cause to doubt the continued strength of your mind; and, were it not that I am always peculiarly gratified by hearing from vou. I should regret vou had thought the incident with Mr. Delapiaine worth an explanation. He wrote to me on the subject of my letter to you of Jan. 9. 1816. and asked me questions which I answer only to one being. To himself therefore I replied 'say nothing of my religion; it is known to my god and myself alone. It's evidence before the world is to be sought in my life. If that has been honest and dutiful to society, the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.' It is a singular anxiety which some people have that we should all think alike. Would the world be more beautiful were all our faces alike? Were our tempers, our talents, our tastes, our forms, our wishes, aversions and pursuits cast exactly in the same mould? If no varieties existed in the animal, vegetable, or mineral creation,' but all were strictly uniform, catholic and orthodox, what a world of physical and moral monotony would it be! These are the absurdities into which those run who usurp the throne of god, and dictate to him what he should have done. May they, with all their metaphysical riddles, appear before that tribunal with as clean hands and hearts as you and I shall. There, suspended in the scales of eternal justice, faith and works will shew their worth by their weight. God bless you and preserve you long in life & health. TH: JEFFEHSON RC (DLC: Charles Thomson Papers); addressed: Charles Thomson esq. near Philadelphia"; franked and postmarked: "Milton Va 29 Jan"; endorsed by Thompson as received 7 Feb. 1817. PoC' (DLC). Thomson's LAST LETTER described his recovery from a "paralytic stroke" and gave the following account of the INCIDENT WITH MR. DELAPLAINE: I have been thus partic- ular to apologize for my answer to your letter, and for an Answer which I gave on the 9th. of Sept to what I deemed an impertinent question of Mr Delaplaine which has occasioned a very improper application to you. The case as Far as I can now recollect was simply this Among many other questions he asked me one which seemed to refer to the slanderous charges bandeid about respecting your infidelity and disbelief of Christianity. This roused my resentment and I wished to answer it by a sentence of your letter which at the instant occurred to my mind. On looking for the letter I could not find it. But after several questions I recollected that passage of your letter in which you informed me that you have employed some time in composing 'a wee little book which was a document in proof that vou are a real Christian that is a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.' With these words I answered this question. He put several questions touching the meaning, but I answered all, with a repetition of the same words at the same time trying to recollect when or where I had lost the letter. At last it occurred to me that I had been in Philadelphia and had shewn the letter to Doct Patterson; I thereupon desired Mr. Delaplaine to call on Doct Patterson and inquire if I had left it there. This happened to have been the case. I had laid it on the table and forgot it: But Mr D. it seems construed the favour I asked into a grant of something to himself' (Thomson to TJ, ca. 5 Jan, 1817). (SOURCE OF INFORMATION: The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, 2nd series, Jefferson's Extracts from the Gospels, "The Philosophy of Jesus" and "The Life and Morals of Jesus." Dickinson W. Adams, Editor, Princeton University Press, Princeton, N J, (1983) pp 345-47) *************************************************************** You are invited to check out the following: The Rise of the Theocratic States of America http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm American Theocrats - Past and Present http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html [and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of Church and State in general, listed below] HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/ *************************************************************** . . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner, 256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.). Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992) . . . **************************************************************** James Veverka wrote: One of the ways to counter the attack on American Constitutional principles by the religious right is to address their revisionism, misinformation and distortions. **************************************************************** USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote "You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your only clue. Get the facts!" That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies. It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at almost every media turn. ***************************************************************** THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html ****************************************************************[ Auf dieses Posting antworten ]
