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Go here for details http://somf.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=1676 and download clicking on the button here>> Bookmark http://somfv3.ipbfree.com/index.php in the event this site goes down! Secrets Of Magic Forum -> General Magic Discussion -> The Warehouse Pages: (3) 1 2 [3] ( Go to first unread post ) » David Copperfield's "Interlude" Effect, build it with a very little cost Flag this topic | Add/Remove Favorites | Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic MagicTammi Posted: Nov 13 2007, 09:35 PM Wizardess Group: Grand Master Posts: 2 739 Joined: 27-April 07 Member No.: 520 Cash: 2 147 483 647 Member Inventory: View Been In Magic For: 10-15 Years Country: There's no such thing as a copyrighted illusion. You are free to manufacture your own version of anything unless something has a current Patent. For copyrighted material you can be sued if you produce and distribute the text descriptions and photographs of the illusion in the exact same form or a near derivative form as the original author. Sorry this has all been said before, but every time I see a wrong interpretation of this, I'm going to put it right. -------------------- Tammi's Tutorial Index Click Now! Updated 20 May 2007 Close Up Magic Index Click Now! Updated 20 June 2007 QED Posted: Apr 3 2008, 11:23 AM Magician Group: Mystical Moderator Posts: 4 466 Joined: 18-March 07 Member No.: 6 Cash: 9 522 Member Inventory: View Been In Magic For: 3-4 Years Country: Warn: (0%) Here's an example of a bad interlude copy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRE7pViG220 at about 1:45 into the clip.. not very deceptive at all... -------------------- do or do not, there is no try.... âA conjurer is nothing if he only amuses and fails to inspire wonde r.â â Thomas Frost billpage Posted: 6 minutes ago Magician Group: Master Magician Posts: 582 Joined: 13-July 07 Member No.: 1 068 Cash: 1 966 Member Inventory: View Been In Magic For: 25+ Years Warn: (0%) hey i was thinking a few days agoif the new masked magician on my net ork tv z 2008 13 all new cool out side inside stage ilusion ideas of cool science ideas is going to show soul passage the measure of man interlude and orgami watch as the magic un folds ps dc line in his cool tour book program you know thinking about the masked magician where is david copperfield? IS HE the new maskedmagician in tv under valentbinos cool idea spder man mask idea every kid i know wants the spider man masked magician mask even for halloweeen too and even my nieaces andnefus and children at my church want a masked magician spiderman mask:) maybe david copperfield stage illusionist says if you can not beat them join them:) or johnathen pendragon, rick tomas, penn and teller, valintino, franz harary, criss angel mondays at9:00pm/8centeral even cool misionarries like the masked magician wow cool:) i let them know that anyone is able to do these props its the performer that maskes it magical:) 1 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users) 1 Members: billpage « Next Oldest | The Warehouse | Next Newes[/quote] MySpace.com | rss | sign in The Masked Magician ,, Last Updated: 2/23/2009 Send Message Instant Message Email to a Friend Subscribe Gender: Male Sign: Gemini City: LV State: Nevada Country: US Blog Archive [Older Newer] Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec / 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 / 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 2033 2034 2035 2036 2037 2038 2039 2040 2041 2042 2043 2044 2045 2046 2047 2048 2049 2050 2051 2052 2053 2054 2055 2056 2057 2058 2059 2060 2061 2062 2063 2064 2065 2066 2067 2068 2069 2070 2071 2072 2073 2074 2075 2076 2077 2078 2079 2080 2081 2082 2083 2084 2085 2086 2087 2088 2089 2090 2091 2092 2093 2094 2095 2096 2097 2098 2099 Sponsored Links South Point Hotel Casino Sale - Las Vegas Resort & Spa save up to 35% off prevailing rate. www.SouthPointCasino.com February 24, 2009 - Tuesday Coming Events, Interviews, Announcements â¦â¦â¦ Current mood: excited Category: Movies, TV, Celebrities Coming Events, Interviews, Announcements â¦â¦â¦ Friday, February 19th - Interview with Robin Leach â We will announce when the Interview wi ll break. http://www.vegasdeluxe.com/?google&gclid=CO_Cu-fY9JgCFSHyDAodpzw72A Saturday February 20th - Bellagio Hotel - Childrenâs Miracle Network / Check out âMy Photosâ. 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Fator will headline at the Mirage 5 nights a week for 10 years. 08:19 0 Comments(User has disabled new comments) |0 Kudos February 19, 2009 - Thursday The Masked Magician Biography The Masked Magician Biography The magicianâs sacred code of silence is broken forever in the upcoming second seasonâs MAGICâS BIGGEST SECRETS FINALLY RE VEALED premiering March 2, 2009. The infamous world acclaimed Masked Magician stars in the hour-long episodes airing Mondays at 9pm (ET/PT) on MyNetworkTV. He entertains and enlightens fans of all ages by exposing the secrets behind magicâs most mystifying illusions. The Masked Magician continues to defy his fellow conjurers and disclose the tricks that have captivated audiences for centuries. Over 120 of magicâs most memorable illusions will be unveiled, including the MOTORCYCLE VANISH, TRAIN LEVITATION, WATER ESCAPE, WALKING THROUGH SOLID GLASS, WALKING ON WATER, MAGIC YOU CAN DO and much more. Val Valentino, The Masked Magician, has starred in a multitude of international and national TV specials. His four blockbuster FOX TV Network specials were among the highest rated in the history of the network, and garnered better numbers than the World Series. He has successfully performed more illusions on Television in one year than any other magician in history. ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY wrote that The Masked Magician is âmore spellbinding than David Copperfieldâs, Lance Burtonâs and S iegfried & Royâs entire bag of tricks combined.â Valentino was also ho nored on EWâs prestigious IT LIST as one of the âTop 100â mo st creative entertainers in show business. What has The Masked Magician been doing since his first FOX TV specials? He has been in high demand worldwide, producing TV specials, âliveâ performances, product endorsements, commercials, TV cameos, consulting on magic projects, etc. He has been awarded the equivalent of an Academy Award in Latin America, and received tremendous recognition throughout the Far East, United Kingdom and virtually the world. The Masked Magician believes that magic transcends all languages, and appeals to all ages. Due to his tremendous Television success, CBS wasted no time in signing Valentino to a two-hour special episode of the DIAGNOSIS MURDER series starring d*** Van Dyke. The producers were quoted as saying, âThe Masked Magician killed us in the last ratings sweep, so we figured weâd do what any self- respecting producers would do: bring The Masked Magician to our side, and kill him off in a two-hour special.â The NEW YORK POSTâ s review was glowing. âThis is must see TV: videotape this one; youâ ll be glad you did.â The Masked Magicianâs âliveâ stage extravaganza has been touring to sold out arenas globally and across the United States. He has mastered the most difficult and death-defying illusions, and his future plans include attempting to be âburied aliveâ six feet undergroun d in a metal coffin for seven days. Historical documents attest that the illustrious Houdini feared and never attempted this stunt publicly. Valentino creates âthe magicâ then proceeds to reveal the r eality of the illusions before a captivated television audience on his MyNetwork TVseries, MAGICâS BIGGEST SECRETS FINALLY REVEALED. He is the consummate performance-artist who creates, writes, directs and develops his own work. Nash Entertainment has become so captivated with The Masked Magician that CEO Bruce Nash decided to star him as the lead character in a graphic novel to be produced by Virgin Comics. Nash hopes ultimately to use the novel as a basis for a feature film, Television series, âliveâ stage production, electronic games and mainstream me rchandise. The graphic novel will revolve around the fictional magician, on the lam from the law. The character dons a mask to protect himself. He begins using magic to solve crimesâand attempts to redeem himself f rom the past he is trying to escape. The book and movie will highlight how the real life Masked Magician conjures up his illusions. Valentino is a consultant on the project, and is working closely with Bruce Nash, Robert Kosberg, head of Nashâs feature film division, Andrew Jebb and Virgin comics. Val Valentino is an amazing entertainer who fell in love with magic at the tender age of 5, and knew that this was his destiny. His father gave him his first illusion, THE BALL AND THE VASE TRICK, and by age 11, he was entertaining professionally by performing magic for parties and at community functions. He continued to perfect his craft during his teen years, and performed in THE INTERNATIONAL CULTURAL AWARENESS PROGRAM for over a million students throughout the Unified School System. By his early 20âs he was touring with major stars nationwide, and was a popular performer at the historic Magic Castle in Hollywood, California. In addition, he starred in legendary musician Herb Alpertâs MAGIC M AN video. It had the distinction of becoming one of the very first music videos. His first national TV break came with an appearance on THE MERV GRIFFIN SHOW. Merv was amazed with Valentinoâs performance and stat ed that âValentino is a gifted magician; an astounding performer with an unbelievable performance.â The acclaim that Val Valentino had been receiving nationwide opened the door for a stunning career in Las Vegas. He became an instant success and earned wonderful reviews. Hollywoodâ s Daily Variety commended âhis combination of irresistible sensuality and spellbinding exoticism.â The Las Vegas Review Journal stated th at âHe ranks among the top few in the city.â Valentino has headlined in some of the top theaters in Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Reno NV, Biloxi Mississippi and Lake Tahoe. He has starred in the popular production SPLASH at the Riviera Hotel, headlined for six years in the world famous âCopa Roomâ the ater at the Sands Hotel and performed throughout Las Vegas at the Las Vegas Hilton, Caesars Palace, The Plaza Hotel and Maxim Hotel. He also continued to tour his sold out stage shows nationally and internationally. The Fox TV Network approached him while he was touring, and asked him to consider becoming a magic consultant on its upcoming MAGIC SECRETS REVEALED special. He agreed to participate if the producers would reveal only the older magical illusions. They did, and history was in the making. Valentino knew that his life long dream as a magician was in jeopardy due to the nature of the TV show, but he felt that it was more important to have a magician working closely with the staff then not. Valentino gallantly took the opportunity for the better good of the Art of Magic, when all other magicians backed away and feared possibly tainting their careers. He worked closely with Director Don Weiner to create a show that would dare to be unique, challenging and exciting. The media and TV fans embraced The Masked Magician, and a new star was born. There was an uproar in the magic community, due to the fact that many magicians did not understand Valentinoâs motives and his lifelong dream of promot ing his love of magic, sharing his passion with his viewing audience and inspiring a new generation of magic fans. Val Valentino is currently creating a New Magic Society, THE MASKED MAGICIANâS ACADEMY OF MYSTICAL ARTS. Its purpose is to educate and encourage a New Generation of Magicians, promote public interest in the Art of Magic and preserve its history as an Art form, entertainment medium and hobby. The Masked Magician will continue his tradition of awe-inspiring entertainment on the second season of MAGICâS BIGGEST SECRETS FINAL LY REVEALED, Mondayâs at 9pm (ET/PT) on MyNetwork TV beginning March 2 , 2009. One thing is for certain: this visionary magician âwill not disappe arâ anytime soon. This ancient artform created a very special kind of magic and named him Val Valentino aka The Masked Magician. For additional information..go to www.themaskedmagician.com 10:23 0 Comments(User has disabled new comments) |0 Kudos September 20, 2006 - Wednesday In my humble opinion, magic is all about creativity. Siege YES... But use blank faces/pips or something else. And add a 'twist'. In my humble opinion, magic is all about creativity. I stopped doing the dynamic coins because some young lad at a show told me he knew how it was done. And I loved that trick! BUT... I had to fill it's place. Which was easy, and introduced me to better magic. I think that's the key here: we need to move on. If we just used age old effects and routines, then nothing would ever change - and we'd get stuck in a rut of all magicians doing the same tricks. But, we're adventurous types. There's basically an open book - and we've got to fill the pages (how poetic?). Personally, I absolutely LOVE creating weird and off-the wall magic - but the things I do boil down to just dressing up old techniques and handlings and making them look exciting and new. Think of a motor car: there's basically four wheels, a chassis and an engine. You have a steering wheel, a brake and accellerator. That's the dynamics of the whole thing. But every month we see a new variation on the theme - a new style or design, faster, sleeker, curvier, more gadgets, more economy. But still the same four wheels, engine, chassis etc. This is a relatively strong metaphor - and quite appropriate. Think about it... 23:09 0 Comments(Add Comment) |0 Kudos September 20, 2006 - Wednesday The Masked Magician has actually done the magic industry a favour Current mood: cheerful Category: Movies, TV, Celebrities Talkmagic.co.uk Siege ------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't worry. Magic's greatest secrets are still safe. The Masked Magician has actually done the magic industry a favour - by introducing more people to the world of magic. It's been the only high-profile magic programme on TV for a while - and therefore has given everyone a dose of magic. Plus, if he's given the secrets of magic away, why isn't the world of magic dead? I'm sure if someone found out McDonald's secret recipe or CocaCola's magic ingredients that they'd go out of business. The effects exposed here are mostly prop tricks. The real magic is safe and sound with the REAL magicians. You'd be surprised that since people found out that David (who?) Blaine isn't REALLY the Messiah - there's been more and more 'Blaine- ites' appearing. The Masked Magician has his reasons for doing what he's done - most of which are commercial. It's far less controversial than you think... at least he performed most of them *well*. In essence - the MM has not changed the world that much at all - except to raise Magic's profile on TV. 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Go here for details http://somf.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=1676 and download clicking on the button here>> Bookmark http://somfv3.ipbfree.com/index.php in the event this site goes down! Secrets Of Magic Forum -> General Magic Discussion -> The Warehouse Pages: (3) 1 2 [3] ( Go to first unread post ) » David Copperfield's "Interlude" Effect, build it with a very little cost Flag this topic | Add/Remove Favorites | Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic MagicTammi Posted: Nov 13 2007, 09:35 PM Wizardess Group: Grand Master Posts: 2 739 Joined: 27-April 07 Member No.: 520 Cash: 2 147 483 647 Member Inventory: View Been In Magic For: 10-15 Years Country: There's no such thing as a copyrighted illusion. You are free to manufacture your own version of anything unless something has a current Patent. For copyrighted material you can be sued if you produce and distribute the text descriptions and photographs of the illusion in the exact same form or a near derivative form as the original author. Sorry this has all been said before, but every time I see a wrong interpretation of this, I'm going to put it right. -------------------- Tammi's Tutorial Index Click Now! Updated 20 May 2007 Close Up Magic Index Click Now! Updated 20 June 2007 QED Posted: Apr 3 2008, 11:23 AM Magician Group: Mystical Moderator Posts: 4 466 Joined: 18-March 07 Member No.: 6 Cash: 9 522 Member Inventory: View Been In Magic For: 3-4 Years Country: Warn: (0%) Here's an example of a bad interlude copy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRE7pViG220 at about 1:45 into the clip.. not very deceptive at all... -------------------- do or do not, there is no try.... âA conjurer is nothing if he only amuses and fails to inspire wonde r.â â Thomas Frost billpage Posted: 6 minutes ago Magician Group: Master Magician Posts: 582 Joined: 13-July 07 Member No.: 1 068 Cash: 1 966 Member Inventory: View Been In Magic For: 25+ Years Warn: (0%) hey i was thinking a few days agoif the new masked magician on my net ork tv z 2008 13 all new cool out side inside stage ilusion ideas of cool science ideas is going to show soul passage the measure of man interlude and orgami watch as the magic un folds ps dc line in his cool tour book program you know thinking about the masked magician where is david copperfield? IS HE the new maskedmagician in tv under valentbinos cool idea spder man mask idea every kid i know wants the spider man masked magician mask even for halloweeen too and even my nieaces andnefus and children at my church want a masked magician spiderman mask:) maybe david copperfield stage illusionist says if you can not beat them join them:) or johnathen pendragon, rick tomas, penn and teller, valintino, franz harary, criss angel mondays at9:00pm/8centeral even cool misionarries like the masked magician wow cool:) i let them know that anyone is able to do these props its the performer that maskes it magical:) 1 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users) 1 Members: billpage « Next Oldest | The Warehouse | Next Newes[/quote][/quote] my guess is clear plateglass platform or clear plexie glass slates or clear poles or clear rods or clear steps or use clear diamond steps or use air plane wires combo cool the new masked magician thanks to folks in uk even tought m msntv2can handle yout tube video only frame by frame then freeze up or go back to zero again i got a nuf info on vhs tape to put on dvd disc of the scret cool i was right use clear plexie glass platforms with clear rods but hooked up ideas paid ators use rightvideo camera angles plus lighting but all stage illusionist knowTHAT Jesus really walked on water PS ANDRE KOLE invented the stage illusion idea of walk on water then let criss angel use it thanks new masked magician i can not waite to be able to ge this and more secrets revealed on vhs tape onto dvd disc in the usa with full video footage no rame by frame march 2 2009 mynetworktv new secrets reaveld that uk alreadyaired Top Display posts from previous: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by AuthorPost timeSubject AscendingDescending Page 14 of 14 [ 132 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 Board index » Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ] Who is online Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest You can post new topics in this forum You can reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum[ Auf dieses Posting antworten ]
