Re: the long barrel of Tao

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>>You seem to be saying you know how to walk
>>where walk in this sense means mastery.
>
>Seeming don't mean shit.

You know how to walk?
You don't know how to walk?
You stumble at times?
It's hit or miss? A guessing game?
You get off track. Distracted.
Not much of a master?
A theorist perhaps.

>>>Hip-hop buzz words
>>>don't keep one from dancing
>>>like a white man.
>>
>>I'm not quite sure what you're saying.
>
>There is a difference between looking like you are dancing and
>becoming the dance.

From one pov,
I can't do anything except dance.
That's all anyone can do.

From another pov,
some do it better than others.

It all seams to seem asit dew.

>>You seem to be talking about being able
>>to influence the manifestation, matter, mass
>
>The trick is not to influence the manifestation,
>everybody does that all the time,
>but to get past being so sloppy about it
>that you can't imagine it's happening.

I figured the trick would be to
not only imagine it, but influence it,
adjust it, modify it, so one never runs
out of money, Grant is granted, all the time.
One knows that one will never get rained on
cuz one's imagination is so great that drops
simply don't drop nor fall on one's path.

But then, I'm not you.
You might like more drama,
more excitement in your imagininnings.

>>but then you talk about magic as if being able
>>to influence the manifestation, to create,
>>to flow with, to do, is not what you're about.
>
>The manifestation is not some rock or stick
>that you act on at a distance
>with a magic wand
>or some fairy godmother trick.

I thought you just said
everybody influences the manifestation
all the time. It's so close it's in front of us
but few can step back far enuf to see it.
Something along those lines.
And something about imagination.

>>If there are many realities
>>and this globe is an intersection
>>then your ability to influence consensus reality
>>might be constrained by those of others
>>who also partake of this sphere.
>
>Should it be important to me what others think?

Only if you want it to be
or if what others think actually plays
any part in your particular reality.

If others think your generator will
actually run out of gas, but you imagine
that it really can run on fumes indefinitely,
it might be important to harness more
of the mysterious imaginational essence
to overcome the weight of consensus.

>Whether I am a "success" or "failure"?

I doubt if that makes any difference
unless to you it does. Success, to you,
might mean not being a suit. It may mean
being able to survive on Grants and
no rain falling. Probably if what you make
doesn't work for others, then they won't
buy whatever it is you fabricate for them.
Your imagination might only take you
so far before it runs out of steam.

>Should I somehow control their realities?
>I think not.

If others are your manifestation
and you influence them from moment
to moments in every moment, then perhaps
what you bring out of the mystery is very much
your very own doing. How much control you
may have or might not have could be up
to you, or not. Maybe the train only runs
on very tight schedules along narrow tracks.

>>If you enter different realities by changing a vew
>>or doing things different,
>
>You still look for a separate rock or stick
>to act on at a distance
>whack with a magic wand.

I'm not sure I'm following you with that.

>You don't change the manifestation
>by doing things beyond following Tao.
>It is not what you do that matters
>but what you are.

And you are, what?
The manifestation? The mystery?

You are, a follower of Tao?
That's sounds simple enuf.
Let go and let Tao. Is that it?

>>Mundane reality is enuf trouble for me.
>>Entering into stranger realms isn't
>>necessarily something I'd want to do.
>
>You're a funny guy.
>Saying that.
>Sitting in the middle of the strangest
>possible realm.

Eye likes funny.
Stupid is a gas as, urp, well.

>>If others can, and do, and if it can be
>>proven to be the case, consensus wide,
>
>Here's a stick boy, go fetch!

Arf. Arf.
So you find a Grant once in a while.
So the generator runs on fumes.
So the rain doesn't fall on you.
That's not some sort of stick?
Letting go and letting Tao
is not the same as a stick?
I'm still not sure what you're saying.

>>How possible is it?
>
>Stop breathing forever, call me in the morning.

They (so-called Taoist texts) say
that if you can hold the breath for a
particular length of time, 10k heartbeats
or something like that, you're immortal.
That's a cool stick.

At times, while concentrating,
the breath slows, and time stops.
Time rushes by as it stands still.
Focus can be a trip. Forever?
Eternal? Immortal? A moment.
Link them up and ya got time.

>>How often can you do it?
>
>Can it not be done?

I like to believe in possibilities.

>>Have you mastered the course?
>
>The course cannot be mastered
>journeyman is top of the ladder
>but it ain't the apprentice ladder.

No master? No sage?
Totally mythological?
Not even a shred beyond metaphor?

>>How well do you "walk"?
>>
>>Or are you mostly just talk
>>with an occasional walk?
>>
>>If you are "walking" all the time
>>then your reality is your complete doing.
>>Isn't that the case? Or is it a partial mystery?
>
>Can you change what you are?

I can change, at times, what I think I am.
All of what I am entails all that is
not to mention all of what potentially
might be or have been. Can I change that?
Well, prehaps, in a manner of speaking.

>>I'm not sure what you're saying here.
>>You go wherever the train takes you?
>>You drink whatever is at the station?
>
>To follow Tao
>you must give yourself to the dance
>follow Tao alone
>without reservation
>without hesitation.

How can it be otherwise?
Can one get off the train?

>>Then you can and do levitate coffee.
>
>You'll never get it banging on it with a stick, here boy, fetch!

I did manage a cup of coffee!
It's right here, on my right. Dang!
It's all gone! Somebody drank it.
Aw, man. Now what? Beer? Hmmm.

>>Seams, two ore threes me,
>>that your posit ions change a byte.
>
>When young I was smaller.

I was actually bigger.
Before I was a single cell,
aye, there was nothing I wasn't.
During my teens, working out,
the body got its biggest.
My folks say you shrink with age.
I know my hair is much less.
Makes it easier to wash.
Eventually, all washed out,
aye, returning to what I was
prior to taking shape and
forming all the things manifested.

>>Then you have mastered the course.
>
>Fucking-ay your head is thick!

Okay.
So you're a journeyman
with no hope of becoming a master.
You trudge the road, hoping or knowing
that a Grant will magically appear
in your wallet and you don't believe
that you need an umbrella.
That's the extent of your imagination.
Your train runs along rails in lines
of reason, causality is your king.
It's a mystery to you. You enjoy
drama and excitement.

>>You can "walk" across the icy stream.
>
>I can walk where Tao takes me.

Okay.
Sounds good enuf
to stay out of rhino-land.

>>Sounds like you like magic
>>and do enjoy walking on the edges.
>
>You can make up whatever world suits you
>but you cannot escape the magic
>and if you follow Tao
>edges mean nothing.

So now I cannot escape the magic.
But it isn't a stick to go fetch.
The magic is Tao. Simply follow it,
however that trick is accomplished.
The train does not fear the edge.

>>Life is really real for you?
>
>As real as death.
>
>
>>You're a hobbyist too!
>
>There's no time for hobbies
>when survival is at hand.

Sounds rather dire.

Does playing on the computer
figure into your survival somehow?
I mean, it's like, a necessity?

-going for a beer
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