Liberalism vs Business is a false dichotomy.
Von: The Great Gordo (politiconsky@hotmail.com) [Profil]
Datum: 16.09.2008 03:36
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Datum: 16.09.2008 03:36
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We often hear liberals talk about the rich/corporations/businesses not paying their fair share. And, we often hear of conservatives defending businesses from radicals and the ignorant mob. And, to be sure, there are groups within liberalism which are ideologically or socio- economically anti-rich and even anti-business. And, it's also true that many businessmen--especially small businessmen--resent liberal Big Government and want to left alone to make their own money. But, the liberal vs business dichotomy is way overblown and may not even be a fundamental fact of econo-politics. This is especially true of Big Business. Big Business faces more social pressures than small business. They have to be more mindful of its public image. Corporations compete not only for market share but for the way they are perceived--in taking care of their employees, in being a responsible steward of the community they operate in, promoting just causes, and various other factors. This public image-keeping is expensive. A small business is much more adaptable. No one's going to pay too much attention to what it does. Small businesses crop up and disappear day in and day out. Their main objective is profit. Small businessmen work hard--perhaps no one works harder--, but they are in it for the money, pure and simple, not to be respected and loved. This is why small businessmen tend to be more conservative than big businessmen. Big Businessmen want help from the government to pay for some of their expensive public image upkeep. Big Businesses want to avoid scandals to maintain their highfaluting respect in the world community. And, social activists are much more likely to target big businesses over small businesses. A small restaurant may have rats, but at most it will be shut down by the city. But, if a Big Chain Restaurant has rats, it will be national news. If a small business doesn't offer healthcare to its employees, no big deal. But, Walmart was hounded for not providing healthcare to all its employees. And so, many Big Businesses are not always anti-liberal when it comes to economic matters. As far as many corporations are concerned, bigger government means more profit to them. But, won't they have to pay higher taxes? Yes, taxes will be higher under liberalism, but Big Businesses can also forgo many of their obligations. If government provides healthcare, corporations no longer need to. Considering the cost of healthcare, corporations feel they have more to gain by government taking over healthcare. This is because goverment-run healthcare is rationed care which will strictly limit the care patients will or won't receive. Under the current private healthcare plans, great many employees can see any doctor for whatever ailment, real or imagined. But, if there's rationed care, government will decide who gets to see what. And, there will also be long waiting periods. Everyone will have access to equal healthcare, but everyone will get far less than what people who are insured are getting now. Corporations figure that higher taxes to pay for rationed healthcare will be far less costly than what they have to dole out now for their employees. And, this may well be true would be true if American people accept the tradeoffs from private healthcare to rationed care. This seems to be the case in some European nations. Corporations in Europe actually benefit because they are not burdened with having to provide healthcare for their employees. But, we must take one thing into account. Europeans generally are willing to do with less than Americans. Europeans, rising from the ashes of WWII, came to expect less and do with less. They are content with smaller cars, smaller serving sizes at restaurants, smaller homes, and so on. Germans are thrify by nature. Also, when socialized medicine arrived in Europe, many people never had any healthcare. So, they were grateful that they got any healthcare at all. They never had an opportunity to compare a system of private healthcare vs rationed healthcare. They only came to think in terms of rationed healthcare or no healthcare. Following WWII when people were without jobs and on the verge of starvation, this feeling was understandable in Europe. But, it's different in America. What Americans expect from universal healthcare is not what Eurpoeans expected--and have come to be grateful for--in the post-war era. The majority of Americans, over several generations, came to enjoy private healthcare and for many of them, it's the best in the world. The idea of a rationed care offering the kind of care that the majority of Americans have come to expect and enjoy is a joke. IF Americans will accept the European/Canadian level of healthcare, universal healthcare may work in America. Also, corporations and businessmen--who offer healthcare to their workers-- have much to gain. But,--and it's a big BUT--, if Americans want rationed care to provide the kind of care they are used to getting, they will be sourly disappointed. If so, many Americans will grow angry and demand better care. The only thing the government can do that is raise taxes higher and higher until universal healthcare is funded enough to provide the kind of care that Americans demand. That means corporations will have to pay higher and higher taxes--which may exceed the amount of money they saved by not providing employee healthcare. It's kinda like this. Suppose there's a bunch of people on the verge of starvation. So, they are provided with universal food program where they get oatmeal in the morning, burger for lunch, and fried chicken for dinner day in and day out. Suppose these people are thankful for this. Never mind that the menu is severly restricted. They are happy they have any food at all. For these people, universal food program may seem a blessing. Now, suppose there's another bunch of people. Suppose the majority of people have come to enjoy bacon and eggs for breakfast, a five course meal for lunch, and a seven course meal for dinner. But, suppose not everyone in this bunch enjoys the same amount of food. Some people must do with less. The system is less equal. So, suppose someone floats the idea of a universal food program. Suppose the people who eat well think the program will mean most people will eat equally well. But, what people will get is reduced rations for all. Now, will those people accustomed to good food accept new rations? Or, will they rebel and go apeshit? Knowing Americans, they will go apeshit with the universal healthcare. Americans are simply used to much better. Finally, Big Businesses want government to take care of all the basic needs of all Americans because they want us to borrow and spend more. Why do people save and spend their money wisely? Because they have to save for a rainy day. Why do they have to save for a rainy day? Because you're supposed to take care of yourself and be responsible in the US. But, what if the government provided you with all the basic necessities? There is no need to be rational, responsible, or thrify anymore. You just need to earn and spend--and borrow and spend. What do you care if your bank account is zero? Government will look after your basic needs. Now, government providing these basic necessities means higher taxes, much of which will have to be paid by Big Business. But, Big Business figures there's far more money to make than taxes to pay in a society where people spend like crazy since their basic needs are taken care of. There is some truth to this. Take social security. It's because people look forward to being taken care of by the government in the future that they don't save for the future. One could argue this is good for the economy since greater consumer spending means more economic activity and so forth. Anyway, the point is Big Business is not necessarily averse to liberalism. So, we should not suprised that most of Big Business is behind Obama. Of course, one could argue they are behind Obama because they project him to be the winner this november and want to be on his good side. That's part of the reason, but not all. Big Businesses find it expensive to maintain their image as responsible corporate citizens. The health care costs are out of control. Also, anxious consumers who save for a rainy day are bad for business; they don't spend enough. So, Big Businesses are willing to pay higher taxes so that government will foist rationed care. Big Businesses are willing to pay higher taxes that provide us with government provided basic necessities. With such security blanket provided for us, we will all save less and spend more. Good for business--in the short term. This is why conservatives must not make frame the debate as between liberalism and business. Libs and buinesses--at least Big Business-are on the same boat. Conservatives must make a philosphical argument. Even if libs and Big Businesses may be right about some of the economic dynamics of their proposals, their vision of society is lousy. It's a society where we are nanny state dufuses who need our diapers changed and tards who can't figure out how to balance our check books. We are to be treated and taken care of like children; and we are supposed to earn and borrow money merely for hedonistic consumption. And, we must remember we are speaking of Americans here. Europeans, who tend to be more intellectual and cultured, are less materialistic and simple-minded than Americans. Europeans, even with government provided necessities, tend to spend their money more wisely. Not Americans who just love to spend and spend. Lacking culture and intellectualism, Americans get their jollies through consumption. But, in some ways, perhaps the nanny state is the logical outcome of an infantile society. Our mindless capitalism teaches kids to have fun, fun, and fun. Its main ethos is 'get paid, get laid'. We are the victims of our own success in the postwar economic order. And, the 60s was truly odd and ridiculous in having fused idealism with materialism. Even the anti-materialistic pretensions of the 60s generation was a form of materialism. Hippies mooched off their parents and their unifying anthems--rock music--were made possible by modern recording, marketing, and sales industries. Or, consider all those Dead concerts which again became popular in the 80s and 90s. The themes were of 'going back to the garden' but Dead concerts brought together tens of thousands of affluent suburban kids with their own cars or their parents' cars to a giant concert to get down and party. More like Garden of Heathen.[ Auf dieses Posting antworten ]
