Re: McCain's idiotic solution: Drill for oil that won't be available for 10 years

On Jun 19, 11:01 pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:47:49 -0700, Major Debacle wrote:
> > The Trucker wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:05:02 -0700, Major Debacle wrote:
>
> >>> The Trucker wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:46:44 -0700, Major Debacle wrote:
>
> >>>>> The Trucker wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:53:51 -0700, jane.playne wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Jun 18, 3:20 pm, Major Debacle
<Major_Debacle@the_Pentagon.mil
>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> David Hartung wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Harry Hope wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> From The Seattle Times, 6/18/08:
>
>>>>>>>>>>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworl
d/2008003394_dr
ill18....
> >>>>>>>>>> By David Lightman
> >>>>>>>>>> McClatchy Newspapers
> >>>>>>>>>> WASHINGTON -
> >>>>>>>>>> Opening America's coastal waters to oil
drilling, as Sen. John
McCain
> >>>>>>>>>> urged in an address Tuesday, is unlikely
to provide Americans 
with
> >>>>>>>>>> more oil for at least seven to 10 years.
> >>>>>>>>>> That's the estimate from the American
Petroleum Institute, the
> >>>>>>>>>> oil-industry trade group.
> >>>>>>>>>> Major environmental groups think the
increased supply would be
at
> >>>>>>>>>> least that distant before arrival, and say
it mostly would ben
efit Big
> >>>>>>>>>> Oil.
> >>>>>>>>>> "It would take a decade to bring new
leases into production, a
nd then
> >>>>>>>>>> they would only line the coffers of the
oil industry," said Ca
rl Pope,
> >>>>>>>>>> the Sierra Club's executive director.
> >>>>>>>>> Think about this for a minute, if we had begun
to drill these a
reas 10
> >>>>>>>>> years ago, the oil would no be available and
the price of gas j
ust might
> >>>>>>>>> be a lot lower than it is now.
> >>>>>>>> And if your Aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle.
>
> >>>>>>>> Jeezus, can you possibly get and more backward
looking?
>
> >>>>>>>>> Given that we do not yet have
viablealternativeenergysources, m
ore
> >>>>>>>>> drilling is a logical move.
> >>>>>>>> No... we need to pay smart people to develop
viablealternativeen
ergy
> >>>>>>>> sources because eventually, and soon, we are going
to run out of
oil.
>
> >>>>>>> So, do you thinkalternativeenergywill be in
substantial supply in
> >>>>>>> less than 10 years?
>
> >>>>>>> Exxon was developing solar cells in the 70s and holds
several
> >>>>>>> patents.  Back then, people thought it was wrong,
because the i
diots
> >>>>>>> believed that Exxon would "hide" the patents
to force people to b
uy
> >>>>>>> oil.
>
> >>>>>>> Exxon got out of the research because they realized
that solar pa
nels
> >>>>>>> were not going to be a viable option.
>
> >>>>>>> Back in the 70s, we were 10 years away from the
"break even" poin
t on
> >>>>>>> nuclear fusion.  We would have limitless power.
 35 years lat
er and we
> >>>>>>> still haven't reached the break even point.
>
> >>>>>>> Wind only produces 300 - 500 watts per square meter.
>
> >>>>>>> Geo thermal is limited to a few places like Iceland
and Yosemite.
>
> >>>>>>>Alternativeenergysounds warm and fuzzy, but it won't do
much for y
ou
> >>>>>>> in 10 years.
> >>>>>> But your a conservative and a moron.  If I was
emperor I could d
o it in 3.
>
> >>>>>>> There is ONEalternativeenergythat will
provideenergyTODAY.  Oil
> >>>>>>> Sands in Canada.  They are doing it now.
> >>>>>> There is analternativeenergythat is providingenergyTODAY.
 Its c
alled
> >>>>>> biodiesel and ethanol and is even being used in cars and
trucks. 
 The
> >>>>>> algae systems are even up and running in production
quantities and
> >>>>>> producing product at very competitive rates.  To be
sure these o
perations
> >>>>>> are not producing the quantities needed, but neither are
your oil 
sands or
> >>>>>> anything else.  It is likely that algae oils will
produce enough
fuel to
> >>>>>> power more than half the nations transport within the next
3 to 5 
years
> >>>>>> if we can just keep the Republicans from screwing it up.
>
> >>>>> What exactly is it that these algae eat? They have to be fed
enough
of
> >>>>> something in order to metabolize it into oil.
> >>>> Seawater has enough free nutrients to feed them as they consume
carb
on
> >>>> dioxide and sunlight.  The algae can be grown with MINIMAL
(like
> >>>> almost zero) fertilizers like cow dung or human wastes.  Many
smal
l
> >>>> reactors are being tested near sewage plants to gain super fast
grow
th.
> >>>> If the algae are grown in open ponds they just grow slower.
> >>>>http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9966867-54.html
> >>>>> How many barrels of oil can be harvested per year per acre
devoted 
to
> >>>>> algae cultivation?
> >>>> Between 1000 and 32,000 gallons per acre. (the 30,000 is a
vertical
> >>>> plastic bag system).  A barrel of oil is 42 gallons but only
32 ga
llons is
> >>>> fuel. So 1000 gallons would be 31 barrels and 32,000 would be 1000
b
arrels.
> >>>> The open pond systems are saying $40 a barrel but that does not
incl
ude
> >>>> land rent costs.
>
> >>>>http://www.biodieselnow.com/forums/t/19143.aspx
>
> >>>>> How much clean water is needed per barrel of oil produced by
this p
rocess?
> >>>> Almost none.  Seawater can be used and in other locations the
wate
r is
> >>>> recycled.  There _IS_ evaporation in the open pond designs.
> >>>>http://www.biodieselnow.com/forums/t/20375.aspx
>
> >>>>> What wastes are produced, including water, by this process and
how 
much
> >>>>> is produced per barrel of oil produced?
> >>>> There are no significant wastes.  The little rascals will
clean
> >>>> sewage and algae reactors can also clean the smoke that is
produced 
by
> >>>> coal fired electrical generators.  These clean coal deals are
alre
ady in
> >>>> operation in one or two test systems.  The dry algae after
oil is 
removed
> >>>> is a very good fertilizer.
>
> >>>>> What is the estimated cost of producing one barrel of oil when
> >>>>> production is in full swing?
> >>>> The Algol plant in the Sonora Desert will produce ethanol at $3 a
ga
llon.
>
> >>> And the winner for this year's award for Best Answer to a Usenet Post
> >>> goes to... give me the envelop, please, Diane... The *Trucker*!!!
>
> >> Hold yer applause till the end.  I ain't done researching this stuff
yet.
> >> But damned if I can find any show stopper on this deal.  I am lookin
g for
> >> it and will do so as I try and find a good way to invest.
>
> > You didn't win the award for posting a solution. You won it for posting
> > real answers to the questions, complete with links.
>
> > The main problem I see with squeezing fuel from algae is scaling it up
> > to provide the 400 million gallons of gasoline that Americans use *ever
y
> > day*.
>
> > And that does not include diesel and jet fuel.
>
> That is actually not the problem, though I agree it is a big step and a
> difficult one.  The big one is the ability of big oil to set the price 
of
> crude wherever they want.  We can produce all the fuel we need at $3 a
> gallon.  But as soon as we do then the demand for petroleum goes to shi
t
> and the oil companies offer fuel for $2. And the investors in biofuels ar
e
> SOL.
>
> --
> "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
> of society but the people themselves; and
> if we think them not enlightened enough to
> exercise their control with a wholesome
> discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
> them, but to inform their discretion by
> education." - Thomas Jeffersonhttp://GreaterVoice.org/extend- Hide quoted
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