Re: Islamic Government

Altway wrote:
> "Dr-de-Bauche" <addict_doctors_work@your_hospital.com> wrote
>>>> Muslim communities are not allowed to live according to Shariah.
>
>> Well, therein lies the rub. Since sharia and Islam demands that one day
>  Islam will rule the world and everyone will be forced to accept Islam it
>  follows that anything less is "not allowing muslims to live according to
>  sharia".
>
> Comment:-
> You are confused.
> (1) There is no question of "forced".
>
> "There is no compulsion in religion." Quran 2:256
> The Shariah is based on the Quran.
>
> (2) The Shariah is about rules of conduct
> That does not contain the idea that anything less than world domination
> is "not allowing muslims to live according to sharia".
>
>> If more people understood the truly imperialist nature of islam they
>  would be less willing to grant concessions to muslim minorities
>  unavailable to religious minorities in islamic states.
>
> Comment:-
> You appear to be ignorant of the fact that under Muslim rule
> all other religions also flourished whereas they were generally
> persecuted under Christian intollerance.
> It is only lately when Muslims began to be attacked that
> retaliation began.
>
> Hamid S. Aziz
>


That is takfiah. Lying about matters of religion in order to promote
Islam is allowed after all. You should very well know that in matters
where there is contradiction in the koran, [though one immediately has
to wonder why, if the koran is the "perfect revelation for all time",
there are *any* contradictions at all; unless of course Mohhamed said
whatever he thought might best promote his religion at one time, and
whatever might promote it better another time. But then again that would
mean that Mohhammed invented Islam himself, and we all know that isnt
true don't we]. All competent Islamic authorities agree that whichever
verse comes later is taken to abrogate any earlier vers, and to be the
authority.

If there is no compulsion in religion, why do you have to "fight the
unbelievers in every stratagem of war until they submit", why does Allah
compel you "to fight in the way of Allah until all submit to Islam", and
why has "fighting been prescribed to you by Allah"? Either Allah's a
deeply confused deity, or he knows exactly what he's saying and the
truth is that Islam does seek conversion by the sword.

Islam is a duplicitous religion since it's true message is hidden deep
inside layers of obfuscation. Yes, you may say there is "no compulsion
in religion", but then you say that "Islam is the only true religion,
all other creeds are false". Therefore the Islamic argument follows that
since Islam is the only true religion there is naturally no need for
compulsion since everyone believes it anyway. Those who *disagree* are
"without" religion, since Islam recognises no other creed as an equal,
and therefore legitimate targets for "guidance to the straight path".


As for your idea that everything was peaceful until Muslims were
attacked reminds me somewhat of oldtime rednecks in Southern states
claiming "everything was peaceful when the colored man knew his place",
since what you are really refering to is largely the fact that the
Jewish people *rightfully* claimed their nation back, Israel. The clain
that Israel is somehow "Muslim land" is simply untrue. There were Jews
in Israel *before* Islam was even conceived of, [please let's not go do
the thoroughly dishonest road of trying to claim that Adam and Eve or
Moses were Muslims. They weren't, and claiming otherwise is an insult to
your religion, since your calendar only begins in Mohhamed's time]

Funny, the world seems to have heard the claims of there being "One
Supreme truth" and everyone else is a lost soul waiting for redemption
before. Once in pre-Reformation Christian Europe, and more recently in
Soviet Russia, where anyone who disagreed with the false economic
theories of Marxist-Leninism were labelled "mentally ill" and locked away.
Interestingly, those who even today seek to defend the Soviet Union do
so by claiming that everything was going absolutely perfectly until
"Western imperialist powers attacked the workers state". Errr, wrong.
The experiment was a disaster from the off; so much so that Lenin
himself returned to free market economics to prevent famine, only to be
superseeded by one of the major tyrants of the recent past, Stalin.

I mention Russian history not only to illustrate the similarity in
totalitarian spirit with Islam, since both claim to be tolerant and
all-encompassing until you look beneath the surface and discover a
monlithic belief system that brooks no dissent whatsoever, but also
because the real danger lies not in Islam itself as a pure religious
belief, but where it has been melded with Marxist-Leninist political
theories, the one being used to justify the other until we see a
re-emergent philosophy making a bid for world domination, [The Islamic
Caliphate, "Islam will rule the world"], while at the same time
promising utopia.

As was pointed out before, [and is so very true], totalitarian
philosophies *always* result in war. Unless Islam reforms itself and
returns to the private realm, rather than seeking to dominate the public
realm, this war is inevitable.
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