Re: Superman and The Sun Experiment / S D Rodrian

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:51:18 -0800, Aardvark wrote:

> On Nov 1, 3:39 am, Tomm Carr
> <TommC...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aardvark wrote:
>>>   The Ping-Pong Ball and The Sun.
>>
>>>   [When it is at the Sun's surface,
>>>   the pull of the Sun's gravity on
>>>   the ping-pong ball will be at its
>>>   maximum.]
>>
>>> The instant the ping-pong ball plunges
>>> past the surface of the Sun, the pull of
>>> the Sun's gravity on the ping-pong ball
>>> will begin to decrease.
>>
>>>   [This is because as the ping-pong ball
>>>   travels closer and closer to the center
>>>   of the Sun: the mass pulling on the
>>>   ping-pong ball is decreasing, all the time
>>>   that there will be a growing amount of
>>>   Sun-mass behind it pulling back on it.]
>>
>>> Once the ping-pong ball reaches the center
>>> of the Sun it will achieve gravity equilibrium
>>> and lie forever suspended there (at the exact
>>> center of a great hollow).
>>
>>>      Conclusions from the above
>>>          thought experiment:
>>
>> Your conclusions are flawed for
>> a very simple reason.
>
> Thank God! I hate it when my conclusions
> are flawed because of very complex reasons.

At least you have the
right attitude, if not
the right theory!

>> What you have done
>> is a rhetorical sleight-of-hand which,
>> like a good magician, gets us
>> looking in one direction while the action
>> is taking place in the other.

Isn't that what MOST "physics"
is really all about?

> See: This is why there should be a law
> against those TV programs that reveal how
> the tricks of magicians like me are done.

And especially THOSE EVIL BLOGS!

>> You get everyone looking only at gravity
>> and missing the other forces at work.

Keep you eye on the b'ALL!

> That's in the other forces' work contract.

Under which they have all been lAID off!

>> What you say about gravity is true: it is
>> greatest on the surface and
>> will cancel out -- be effectively zero -- in
>> the center. Pressure, otoh,
>> will be least on the surface and greatest
>> in the center.

Yes.  At least you are not totally clueless!

> You're thinking of a bowling ball there, friend:
>
>    [The Sun is not a bowling ball: If it were,On Wed, 04 Nov 2009
03:51:18 -0800, Aardvark wrote:

> On Nov 1, 3:39 am, Tomm Carr
> <TommC...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aardvark wrote:
>>>   The Ping-Pong Ball and The Sun.
>>
>>>   [When it is at the Sun's surface,
>>>   the pull of the Sun's gravity on
>>>   the ping-pong ball will be at its
>>>   maximum.]
>>
>>> The instant the ping-pong ball plunges
>>> past the surface of the Sun, the pull of
>>> the Sun's gravity on the ping-pong ball
>>> will begin to decrease.
>>
>>>   [This is because as the ping-pong ball
>>>   travels closer and closer to the center
>>>   of the Sun: the mass pulling on the
>>>   ping-pong ball is decreasing, all the time
>>>   that there will be a growing amount of
>>>   Sun-mass behind it pulling back on it.]
>>
>>> Once the ping-pong ball reaches the center
>>> of the Sun it will achieve gravity equilibrium
>>> and lie forever suspended there (at the exact
>>> center of a great hollow).
>>
>>>      Conclusions from the above
>>>          thought experiment:
>>
>> Your conclusions are flawed for
>> a very simple reason.
>
> Thank God! I hate it when my conclusions
> are flawed because of very complex reasons.

At least you have the
right attitude, if not
the right theory!

>> What you have done
>> is a rhetorical sleight-of-hand which,
>> like a good magician, gets us
>> looking in one direction while the action
>> is taking place in the other.

Isn't that what MOST "physics"
is really all about?

> See: This is why there should be a law
> against those TV programs that reveal how
> the tricks of magicians like me are done.

And especially THOSE EVIL BLOGS!

>> You get everyone looking only at gravity
>> and missing the other forces at work.

Keep you eye on the b'ALL!

> That's in the other forces' work contract.

Under which they have all been lAID off!

>> What you say about gravity is true: it is
>> greatest on the surface and
>> will cancel out -- be effectively zero -- in
>> the center. Pressure, otoh,
>> will be least on the surface and greatest
>> in the center.

Yes.  At least you are not totally clueless!

> You're thinking of a bowling ball there, friend:
>
>    [The Sun is not a bowling ball: If it were,
>    we'd know where the pressure was coming
>    from--But since the Sun is a ball of gas/plasma,
>    it should perfectly "describes" the impression
>    of gravity upon its matter ... exactly like the
>    magnetic fields of a magnet's poles "describe"
>    themselves on iron filings spread out on
>    a sheet of paper under which you move said
>    magnet. Do the experiment yourself. Remember:
>    There is NO WAY for one of the Sun's "filings"
>    (or: atomic particle) to "push" another anywhere:
>    They should all travel towards where they are
>    "pulled" by gravity. ERGO: If the Sun were
>    indeed being "shaped" by gravity, there would
>    be no/little pressure towards the core to carry out
>    any fusion reaction. That is a physical fact which
>    nothing in your philosophy can dispute. THERE
>    IS fusion going on at the Sun's core, otherwise
>    it'd be a big ole bowling ball.] Therefore, Tommy
>
> Trust me: The Sun (and every other heavenly body)
> is being shaped/worked by "something" other than
> your laws of gravity. Go read all about it at:
>
>      http://physics.sdrodrian.com

This is interesting.
You slay some dragons,
but fall into the
bottomless pit of the
"expanding universe",
so I lost interest.

> The answer is PAINFULLY simple: It HAD to be,

YES!

You are right about this, but
DID NOT FIND THE RIGHT ANSWER!

> otherwise IT COULDN'T BE--Even Einstein knew
> this, when he said that "God does not play dice."
> ("Physicists have suggested that the laws and
> constants of physics are too good - as if the
> universe were set up to favour life's evolution.
> It is as though there were, say, half a dozen dials
> representing the major constants of physics. Each
> of the dials could in principle be tuned to any of
> a wide range of values. Almost all of these knob-
> twiddlings would yield a universe in which life
> would be impossible. Some universes would fizzle
> out within the first picosecond. Others would
> contain no elements heavier than hydrogen and
> helium. In yet others, matter would never condense
> into stars (and you need stars in order to forge
> the elements of chemistry and hence life). You
> can estimate the very low odds against the six
> knobs all just happening to be correctly tuned,
> and conclude that a divine knob-twiddler must have
> been at work" IF you do not understand that the
> sequence is not one of six disparate/unrelated
> knobs but one of one leading INEVITABLY to
> the next. In other words: The explanation to
> Existence is always 1,2,3,4,5,6 ... inevitably.

YES.

BUT YOU STILL
NEED *THE KEY*!

> If any other sequece is proposed the proposal is
> as wrong as proposing your nephew created the
> universe: No proof of that can ever be right. And
> regardless how elegant the math may be.

YES.

>> How is that? Because the pressure is not
>> the result of gravity acting
>> directly on the ping-pong ball. It is the
>> result of gravity acting on
>> everything else.
>> At the surface, and at all points under the
>> surface until it gets to the
>> center, gravity is pulling the ball towards
>> the center. In fact, gravity
>> is pulling all the hydrogen (yes, helium
>> and other elements too -- but
>> vastly more hydrogen) toward the center.
>> Once at the center, gravity is
>> no longer effecting the ping-pong ball,
>> but it is still effecting the
>> trillions of trillions of trillions of tons
>> of hydrogen, all being
>> pulled, and generating pressure, toward
>> the center -- directly at the
>> hapless ping-pong ball. This exerts, as
>> could well be imagined, a good
>> deal of pressure on said ping-pong ball.

That is correct.

> Read the theory of solar system creation:
> All your atoms are experiencing a swirling,
> NOT a rush towards center (you know, like
> the orbiting planets, which are just merely
> agglomerations of atoms).

What about Swirling toward the center?
You MUST have seen a TOILET FLUSH!

> The pressure towards center can NOT be
> the result of gravity for an universe of
> reasons (no pun intended).

???? I thought you just proved IT IS!

> For the reason why everything is always
> moving towards center, go thou read it at:
>
>   http://physics.sdrodrian.com

Actually, you do NOT
have THE CLUE, yet.

> You know, when the Ptolemy System was
> drawn up... it all fit together perfectly. The
> math was mavelus! Except, of course, that
> a few "stars" (planets, actually, like Venus)
> would suddenly seem to come to a dead stop,
> and then go back the way they'd come!!!

> But that was just a few planets--Why scrap
> a beautiful system like Ptolemy's just for a few
> lousy planets that refused to obey its laws?

Yes, WHY scrap Einstein,
just because he was an
INSANE PLAGARIST MORON?

> Well, because it told you the system was rotten.

You are perfectly right about THAT!

> Well the system of Gravity we have today to
> explain the way the universe works doesn't
> just have a few wandering planets, it has
> scientists losing their sanity and proposing
> science fiction solutions at almost EVERY turn:

YESSENCE!

> Time-travel (Yes: they're now quite SERIOUSLY
> blaming the failure at CERN on "the notion that
> the troubled collider is being sabotaged by its
> own future: A pair of otherwise distinguished
> physicists have suggested that the hypothesized
> Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce
> with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature
> that its creation would ripple backward through
> time and stop the collider before it could make
> one, like a time traveler who goes back in time
> to kill his grandfather.")... and a myriad other
> idiotic physical impossibilities like "dark energy."

Yes, the "sanity" of "physicists" is NULL.

> And yet these idiots refuse to accept that their
> extire system is rotten. Believe Einstein on this
> one: The solution is not 1, 483, 43, 9, 1999, 2
> but 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Even a THIEF and IDIOT like Einstein
can still be right about SOMETHING!

> Inevitability is ALWAYS the correct solution.

Yes, that's true,
but that is NOT
the full answer.

>> You can even perform a real-world experiment
>> to observe this principle,
>> using a real ping-pong ball and a swimming
>> pool. At the surface, there
>> is no pressure on the ball -- it floats there
>> quite happily. But cup
>> your hand over it and push it to the bottom
>> of the deep end. By the time
>> you get to the bottom of the pool, the ball
>> should be thoroughly
>> crushed.

Actually that is NOT TRUE.
Ping pong balls are quite sturdy.
They have been used to
raise sunken ships.

> By gravity? No, the amount of
>> gravity pulling on the ball will
>> not have changed significantly from the top
>> of the pool to the bottom.
>> It was all that water on top of the ball
>> that generated the pressure. --Tomm Catt

> I already tried this experiment on the SUN
> itself, and burnt my hand--I suggest you try
> thought experiments (if you're crazy enough
> they'll all work out).

Well, at least you THOUGHT you had
performed a "thought experiment".

Don't be too depressed!
That's as far as most get!

> S D Rodrian
> http://sdrodrian.com
> http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> http://mp3.sdrodrian.com

You are not completely hypnotized, and
you make some very good points, but
you still don't have the essential clue.

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