WHERE IS THE REAL GOD?
Von: Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) [Profil]
Datum: 07.06.2007 23:12
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Newsgroup: alt.sci.proof-of-god alt.religion.gods alt.religion alt.christian.religion alt.atheism
Datum: 07.06.2007 23:12
Message-ID: <Yudai.272$AN.205@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Newsgroup: alt.sci.proof-of-god alt.religion.gods alt.religion alt.christian.religion alt.atheism
We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god or gods of their family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true and authentic? Hardly! There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real God? Which are fakes? What objective evidence is there as to which of the thousand or so God beliefs is the real God? If there is a real God, why does he not tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes? God, being omniscient knows precisely what would convince me of his existence. And being omnipotent, it would cost him nothing to provide that proof, and if he cares about me he should be motivated to do so. Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us, directly from his heaven, about the real God and reality and grandeur of his wonderful heaven? Could it be that these are nothing more than the creations of man's imagination and non of these actually exist? It certainly seems so. If God exists, why does he need errant and contradictory interpreters such as priests, preachers, clergymen and shaman to speak for him? If man can communicate with the whole world via TV, Radio and Telephone, why doesn't God have his own TV network ( or communicate direct from his heaven ) to answer our questions or at least demonstrate and confirm that he is the 'real God' and that all the others are fakes? Why does only a very small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak and then from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from mentally deranged hallucinatory people or from people with selfish motivations? There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that anyone has actually talked with God or any of the billions of deceased mortals. There are only a relatively few and unauthenticated 'claims' of these 'contacts'. Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts and religious beliefs, replete with myths, fables, differences, contradictions and implausible tales, to fuel the ravings of numerous sects, branches, churches and rites? If any god exists, why does he not directly tell us what are his 'real' wishes and commands? There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs. There are many major religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christian Scientists, Mormons, Protestants, Catholics, Evangelicists, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc. Then there are also beliefs in the Devil. Is the devil equal to or more powerful than god? If so, then surely the devil must be god, and therefore god is responsible for evil. If not, then god allows the devil to exist and do evil, and therefore god is responsible for evil. Either way, god causes and is responsible for evil. There are a plentitude of ancient religious documents that proclaim the validity of these many Gods. Major (not all) sacred texts and documents; Baha'i Sacred writings Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone. Written by 56 claimed authors thousands of years ago. NO ORIGNINALS of the old or new testaments exist. The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints The Analects - Confucianism The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism Qur'an - Islam The Tanakh - Jewism Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism Nag Hammadi - Gnostics Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong And many more less popular religious beliefs. Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are objective evidence. They are all documents written, copied, modified and further copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal selfish motivations. There is no way to determine their authenticity or accuracy. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of history, myth, folklore and legends. There certainly is no evidence that they are factual. Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their God is the old canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a designer/creator. If it was designed/created by some God, this God has to be even more complex than the Universe, and using this same logic, would require that God would also have to have a creator. Who or what created God? Where is the OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of a real god creator? Why would any 'real' god permit all this doubt and confusion? Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is proof of God. Intelligent design!? Consider reality. The Universe shows no evidence of "intelligent" design! Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent designer create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes, Tornados, Floods, Famines, Wars, cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect people of all ages and religious beliefs. Why does he permit 2,000,000 million children to starve to death every year? Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally 'innocent children' to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor? There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eye of innocent children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the work of an all caring and loving god??? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious beliefs? Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks, jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent God create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals to survive? World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths. World War II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more millions maimed for life. The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed over 200,000 lives; men, women and children of all religious persuasions. 100,000 of these were totally 'innocent children'! There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and totally innocent children. The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and innocent children indiscriminately. Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions indiscriminately every year. 2,000,000 innocent children die of starvation every year. These afflict the young and old, atheists and those of all religious persuasions. If he exist, it would appear that this loving and caring God must actually be a cruel, heartless, mean and torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think he will provide us eternal peace and happiness in his Heaven after death? If there is a God that created the Universe, he is obviously not an all-caring and benevolent God. Nor is he an 'Intelligent Designer'. The objective evidence is that, if there is a god creator, he has no concern about the welfare of the creatures on Earth. This is understandable because the Earth is but a speck of dust in the vast Universe, of trillions of Planets and Stars, that is over 20 BILLION LIGHT YEARS across. (Light travels at 186.000 miles per SECOND!) It appears that ALL the Gods are mythical creations of man's imagination and do not actually exist. Does anyone have objective verifiable evidence or proof that their God is real and actually exists? The many ancient and contradictory documents of these many religions are not objective evidence or proof; they are merely the unsubstantiated and contradictory opinions, myths, fables and tales of other mortals. There is no objective evidence that ANY of these documents are the word of any real God. The God beliefs are about as credible as belief in the Wizard of Oz The objective evidence is very substantial that NO GOD CREATED MAN but quite the opposite; that MAN CREATED GODS![ Auf dieses Posting antworten ]
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