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Re: Wow

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> > Lebron is having a near-historic season, a modern-day Oscar Robinson.
> > Whatever you say about the Cavs, he did bring his team to the finals
> > last year, and I doubt any team in the East is looking forward to
> > facing the Lebron in the playoffs (versus, say Orlando which has a
> > better record).  
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> You can't bring in prior years when discussing this year's MVP.
>

The earlier poster brought in last year (calling it a fluke), so
that's what I was responding to.  Anyway, of course it's fair game,
especially in this context.  The major MVP debate is whether it's the
best player in the league or the most valuable player on the best, or
among the best, team.  Is Cleveland a legit contender despite their
record?  After last year I doubt anyone wants to face the cavs in the
playoffs (after the Cs and detroit).  Now it looks like lebron may be
injured.

> > Kobe is overrated as you say, enough on that (except
> > ironically the conventional wisdom is that the Lakers become
> > contenders if Kobe touches the ball less, what kind of MVP is that?).
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> > Paul probably brings the clearest combination of individual stats,
> > team record, and team transformation into a contender.
>
> > KG is considered responsible for the Cs turnaround -- but he has a
> > great team around him and his stats are good, but don't compare to the
> > other three.  Many people believed Ben Wallace was the "heart and
> > soul" of the Pistons championship team, and he had some great
> > defensive stats, but certainly didn't win the mvp in 2004 or 2005.
> > It's a harder argument when the stats aren't there.

> Unless you watch the games and use your eyes to evaluate how well
someone plays, not the stats.
> Ray
>

You need statistics, of course, because they're some objective
measure, just like team wins which so many people cite here about KG
and the Cs.

I've watched plenty of games.  KG has been consistently very good;
good rebounding, good scoring, great passing.  The most consistent of
the big 3.  He gets a lot of open 18-footers, a benefit of playing
with two other great players, but I've been impressed that he makes
that shot with regularity.  For a 7-footer with great mobility and
length, he doesn't block an impressive number of shots.  Obviously he
brings an intensity on D (as does James Posey), but the main thing he
has done is seemed to make everyone on the team better, esp the role
players, Rondo, Perk.

He's missed what 10 games over the season and someone might know their
record in those games, but IIRC they did ok, a bit of a dropoff, but
some quality wins.

MVP or not, KG is not the first or (probably) second option to take
the game-winning shot, which in the intangibles analysis is
significant.

I've watched some of the Cavs games and Lebron simply does everything,
is a dominant scorer and makes his teammates better.  He is a
phenomenal talent.  He is certainly taking on too much.  Argue about
whether his team is really a contender, but he is clearly the best
player in the NBA.

Paul -- also does almost everything, brings the intensity, great
scorer and and great assist man. His team obviously has the record.

You want Paul and Lebron taking the game-winning shot.  Both of their
teams are nothing without them.  They both are both dominant in
various facets of the game and that shows both in the games and the
stats.  KG is certainly not dominant in any particular area in the
league as a whole, or arguably his own team...but is certainly brings
great intensity and does clearly make everyone better.

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