Re: trapped irl

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> In article <3ZAZj.3450$%B6.3060@newsfe13.ams2>,
>  "russiandolly" <russian_dolly@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>>> do you use long exposures for waterscapes or what? i've seen
>>> some stunning work along that line but i can't tell if it's
>>> 'shopped or carefully set up in the first place. no real
>>> experience so i'm curious how you go about it. with digital it
>>> must be infinitely easier as you can see your results right
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Just Pete
>>>
>> ooh ooh, i know this one,
>> yeah, you do. makes the water look all mystical.
>> need so stay really still though.
>
> oh, ok, gotcha. use an nd and long shutter to 'blend' the
> water flow. like you say, gotta say real still. i can't hold
> steady for much more than a quarter second without support.
> got one of those 'pods' before bogen/manfrotto picked up from
> the original mfg. it's a beanbag with a tripod stud built in,
> kinda hard to describe but g**gle it if you'd like. low cost
> and works ridiculously well for the price. have used it to
> make time exposures at night using a 200mm f/4 lens and they
> came out tack sharp.
>
>> (sorry if thats like a really amateur comment or something. we like taking
>> photographs too. digital camera, print them at the supermarket.
>
> nothing amateur about it, gotta have a thorough understanding
> of the process in order to do it. ain't easy.
>
>> nothing
>> special like what you do. where did you learn to do all that?
>
> not a clue. got a shelf of books and a low level mania driving
> it all. started out with an fm10, kodak tn400 chromogenic
> black and white film, and walgreens to print.
>
hee hee
low level mania - is what drives us most of the time too.
helps get the creative stuff *done* not just thought about.

> expanded and upgraded over a few years while trying to figure
> out the printing end of things. studied photo.net and apug.org
> forums for a long time, along with yet more books. practiced,
> did exercises, posted pics and got helpful critiques, etc.
> still learning.
>
> but had a manual 35mm a long time ago but lost it when my apt
> was robbed. was shooting slide film and didn't know what i was
> doing. probably just as well.
>
> lots and lots left to learn. dodging and burning, flashing,
> local reducing, split contrast, toning, split toning,
> different papers, different developers, not over-fixing film,
> matching developer with film and its exposure, etc., etc.,
> etc. gotta say digital is infinitely easier and you can do
> things with the image that are completely impossible with film.
>
> easy to go overboard. sticking with tri-x/hp5, d-76, vc rc
> paper, dektol, and selenium toning, maybe some gold toning too
> but it's kinda expensive. will dink around with xtol, hc-110,
> microdol-x, and rodinal as film developers too but not
> immediately. no other paper developers on hand other than
> selectol soft for two-bath development to optimize highlight
> detail.
>
> best books on the subject are ansel adam's the negative, the
> camera, and the print. ctein's post-exposure rocks too. plow
> through the forums, photo.net has a particularly excellent set
> of basic articles/threads indexed as such for beginners and
> for reference. apug is more specialized and not much help to
> begin with.
>
> hth,
>
> Just Pete
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