Re: NZ election

"lev@bluemarble.net" (wabash8@gmail.com) writes:
> On Nov 6, 5:52 am, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
> wrote:
>> Uglav (ug...@hotmail.com) writes:
>> >> We have elections now starting campaigns TODAY in Quebec. Siiiigh.
>> >> Canada ran its campaign overlapping the US one, the US ending later,
and
>> >> the day after, uebec gets into elections. Sigh....
>> >> Our elctions for quebec wil be December 8.
>>
>> > Good luck for them that they return a result you prefer.
>
>> be used for the crisis times.
>>  >
>>
>
>> > I feel so much more hope for the US now.  It may again become the
>> > world leader not just in power but in ideals.
>
>> Obama's words about going for war against Afghanistan (sic) leave me
>> dumbfounded...
>
>>
>> Hopefully, it is just as I said a way to save the American face as he
>> would remove the troups from Iraq and make a switch to Afghanistan...
>>
>> Is it not amazing how the US works: the still have to wait for months
>> before the new President is the President....In the meantime, the one
>> there can, I guess, take note of the fact the opposed party will be in,
>> and leave with the furniture...since he already took first home owners
>> houses...and bought the banks and...you name it.
>
> Yes I, in the U.S., am puzzled and disappointed that Obama can be so
> "hawkish" about Afganistan.  However IMHO it is to divert attention
> from Iraq; wanting to get out of there is the big thing is what I see.


Ah! So you too believe it is just to distract from Iraq. Glad to see tht
Americans dd not buy into it and saw it as a way out while saving USA's face.

>
> Yes the U.S. can now be seen as more idealistic.  Compared to Nix-on---
> energy; as I understand Bush was disliked around the world.



I have that mpression clearly from listening to the news and hearing
people of varius origins talk about Bus, yes. Very disliked, even by
Americans in fact, who can not 3ait for him to get out of there.
As fa as I am concerne,d the man was never elected in the first
place...nor in the second. Which makes it just so much worse even....

When I
> look back through the decades I can see no time (forgive me) in a
> century when humanists came together....  Well it is only starting to
> happen, yes.  In Carter's time, well he was an exceedingly good man
> but a fumbling president.


While I am not communisst at all -I beleive that crooked power greedy ones
will exist in any aprty and that in a communist one, the wolf amogn the
''sheep' is an even easier thing to play for those greedy ones-, let's say
that almost by definition, capitalsm can not call for humanitatian
rallyes;-).

>
> More about our -- to be -- idealistic president.  I was talking with a
> friend 2 days ago: The time (early 1960s) of Kenne dy  was called
> Camelot (King Arthur's wonderful realm[justice]) but Pres Kennedy was
> a womanizer.  And that affects the "court" (White House/
> Administration).  Obama is more of the African-American who wants to
> better his people.



Let's hope so.
Tough job in that in a hard economic conjecture, to find money to give to
the poor is a tricky one: can't play Robin Hodd without some people
having tyhe dough to take from and right now, big companies are closing
down, even the basis of the USian industrial name: automobile.
His having to save those at the same time sure does not lend itself to the
best world he coudl have been elected in at the best , i.e. most
propicious time for that. Hopefully his havign to save induistries to
allow the US to survive in teh first palce will not make people feel too
disapointed. Again, can not play Robin hodd without a King to take money
from....
Instead of Camelot, maybe he will refer to the white house as Sherwood;-)

Can't wait to see what they woudl call their dog, as me thinks the name
woudl be picked in line with some of the ideals. Or ten again maybe not,
as this promise of a puppy to his daughter just was exactly done to just
be a daddy to hsi kids....Maybe he will elt them pick the name then.
Though woudl it be a name that happeend to have a wrogn political sound t
it, he woudl change it, probably:).


>
(Which he has
played down so far.  But in the long run IMHO > historians will see him as
>       a race activist.)  "Affirmative action" we say, for advantage in
> even-competing entrance-
>       seekers of a graduate school.  Controversial among
> intellectuals, left vs right ;)

Al ths affirmative action talk and vocabulary though is white talk.
Perhaps he can come up with what stems from the back community and instead
refer o it as soemthign thsat better corresponds to realiy and is not a
kind of politically so-called correct expression to burry a real problem.
The very words used in olitical correctedness about races among other
things ARE insisting on the fact that there IS racism, else there woudl be
no need to lable them that way. A cat is a cat, and when racism is refered
to as some olitically correct expression, it almost makes it sound
poliically correct to do those thngs so long as they are not referred to
as racism, bnut as 'ethnophobic' or whatever else whites woudl call it to
make it look less illegal and unacceptable.

>  > So Kenned y  was  not up to what Obama (we think) will be.


Kennedy was the son of a maffioso.

I have not heard any such comment about Obama's parents....
His dad did not buy the Chicaogo maffia to get him elected. Kennedy's dad
did that for JFK.
In fact it was for not keepignt he promises that went with the maffia help
that the maffia killed JFK as hads been established clearly  since quite a few
years now. JFK owed his election to the maffia.

Hopefully no money was offered by them under any other guise t Obama so he
can act in the clar, if the maffia sure can ask its supposed due from any
President and be a threat to their very life at all times.
Unless they are part of it and start wars to help the maffia sell arms and
so on.

To
the > time of Abraham Lincoln some of us can think, the idealism.

He fdoes make me think of Abbie, and I think that unconsciously, that
played in his favor. Yet A Licoln I heard say on the news had very harsh
words about slavery, saing at forst it woudl never be stopped under his
ÔÔbeign in power''.
Only when the tensions became such thatit became unpopular to say
otherwise did he anounce differently did I hear the same news report say.
Therefore, Abbie.s idealism regardingt he black s not so clear cut as some
my thnk ir not it was or not.

But phsyically, his being tall and slim does remind of Linciln all right:)


Maybe
> later (2009) it will be shown that he is not this.  I have shown one
> side of the  U.S.  election; sometimes I can talk in less black-and-
> white terms of course.  I am in the Vie/tnam generation, where guys
> were going to Canada left and right to avoid the draft.  And plenty of
> anti-social activ..  By the graduating class of a (well, would-be,
> girlfriend) there was one bank job and one armory burned down.
>
> maybe after all the world can become better    :,)


I wish Obama woudl have a cear economy to be able t do all he can to help
theUS altogether.
It is even a wonder abotu the economy dropping suddenly for no reason at
all just as he is abtu to win an election.....

Again, perhaps some racists removed their oney from the market. But money
minded people will sooner or later want to make oney and will have to put
it back in: when one,s god is money, money will be heir interest no matter
what color it could have or not, in the end.

To call a cat a cat, perhaps theknown mighty ruch families of the US and
other places that invested in the US and are racist (for instanceof Jewish
belief, whre racism against blacks from the jews is a known thing, if of
course there is no such thing as a general rule everywhere (one rich
family that is bigot can make 1100, 000 families of jews look like they
all were while they woudl not be at all is what I mean)), perhaps some rch
racists took their money out, as they saw hm too close to being elected
to their liking... but again, whatever rich family.s belief woudl be, if
their god wodl be money over all the rest,  they woudl
have to sooner or later put it back to not let it sleeping and not making
interests as the dollar woudl devalue...and their stash with it.

May his hands not be so financially tied that he can not meet the huge
expectatiosn everyone has --unless ther woudl be bigots of course. Else,
social unrest might take palce, and the greatwest danger to the States
always seemed to me to be exactly that: social unrest. In fact I felt like
Presidents woud at times call wars  upon soem other nation
exactly to distract from social unrest by foccussing the attention on a more
common target, but mostl, and OUTSIDE target declared an ennemy to the US.
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