On Logos

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On logos (1)

The movement of waters is the reason for conscious behavior.

It is field, the body of nuomus, the field of existence, the will to
be. The para-being that lives thru the field is in a way non-existent
since it has no form, no material, no waters and not an existence
within any form of perceivable (if perceiving is thru field)
comprehension since it is outside this field like the one who is
making the wind is outside the wind. In a way it can never really be
perceived since building the means to see it by itself makes also the
barrier that prevents to see it. It can only be seen from the outside
but there is no existence so the only possible form that can really
understand it is by being yourself para-being but in this way non-
existent.

The origin of the para-being is in his infinite forms of himself
within himself. Like that there would be absolutely no forms, no space
and the one would be in a tiny dot within himself of himself of
himself ... evolving the will outside himself, and again, also, for
himself, to change and to move forward. The existence of para-being is
simply a form of existence that has ever been and ever will be, a
simple evolvement of being from para-being, a creation of another
suite, another dress and another look.

The field (fohat, dzu, spirit,...) is in fact non existent since it is
only the will of para-being and in this way non existent space, void
or actually nothing, that gets a form. The will forms a field, a
current and subspaces of the field. It is non-existent in the way that
only the potential that travels thru its form of something to be,
builds in the water its form, the current of waters, the air and also
the matter. Matter, the atoms bound together, is only the spiral
vortexes of will, in a way not existent, but if confronted to the will
that has created them, they are seen as very firm, from another point
of view. From this perspective the existence of all the subspaces of
our existence is just a result of the will of existence. Seeing from
within we then exist in the spaces that are formed by the will of
parabeing.

Here the outside and the inside views interfere - from the outside it
is a form, and from the inside where the existence of creatures is,
having their numerous ways of perceiving the creation but again thru
the medium that is again a form of para-being. So, from the outside
the creation of will can be seen as a tree, a flower, of forms of
field which is again infinite, in every direction, in every imaginable
idea, in every perceivable sight... All this directions are again the
possible new spaces, universes, only if para-being chooses to evolve
in this direction. From the inside, the will is itself the para-being
that creates lives and interacts with the similar forms. So, we  that
are living in some subspaces created by para-being, we actually are
this sub-spaces, with being subspaces we also have the characteristics
of the forms in this subspaces, perceive as the forms, but are also
attached or we also have evolved, thru neighbor subspaces, to see,
perceive and comprehend other forms of existence. We are therefore in
the position of particular creation end evolving from therein towards
the similar, and therefore perceivable, at least partially, forms of
waters.

Being so, the movement of waters creates the illusion of consciousness
where consciousness can mean the relatively firm and stable set of
tools with which we can get a relatively stable and firm picture of
our reality of perceivable neighboring creations. The existence thru
para-being is the only possible form of perceiving, seeing, and
comprehending the reality but it is also the forms of spaces where we
exist that dictate the way we feel, see and perceive since we feel,
see and perceive the characteristics of those spaces. The para-being
is in the same time our existence and the medium for observing other
forms of will that are close to us. The forms which we are and which
are the will and potential for the creation of the wish of para-being,
our perceiving which is again the form we are and the will of para-
being, the perceiving of the perceiving, the comprehension of the
comprehensions which echo in the infinite  directions in the infinite
ways, are again us that are also the will of para-being, all of them
interfere, harmonize, but also diverge if such conditions, all
together form a complex orchestra that can be seen as existence, and
consciousness hereby means only the consequences of more stable tools,
means for retaining the illusion, or creating the perception of
permanent existence as a separate being.

The knowledge that is developed on the level of the movement of will
to build the forms and thru the existent forms to balance the existing
structures may be called logos. He has the knowledge of building, the
knowledge of creation and the knowledge of balance, being the first of
the existence he is the oldest of the conscious beings of all the
existence perceived thru the forms of will. He is the balance between
the forms, the medium between the forms and the balance between all,
in persona. He is himself the creation, the emanation of the
necessity, the consequence of the creation and the guardian observer
of creation. He is the primal tension between the levels of will, the
potential of the form to another form, the streams of will unstable to
form a balance, the consequence of all this but also the consequence
of will itself, as well as the consequences of the consequences...,
being the will itself.

On logos (2)

Logos is the same for all creatures.

The movement of field has consequences. A stream has an effect on the
position and area where it has been sent. Its potential mixes with
potentials of the streams and structures that are local to the
position. Knowledge of causes and effects can be characterized as the
primal knowledge of logos. Much of this knowledge has been gathered
for millions and millions of years, mostly by means of patterns that
repeat and repeat and repeat until the new form is born, an upgrade to
the existing reality, a hat, a cathedral finally. It is like the
stream of water would slowly, slowly shape the channel and surrounding
area of the river. The shape of the stream adapts to the surroundings
and is finally in balance with the area. Moreover, the force and the
potential of friction of streams and fields on one level can generate
enough potential of will to create streams on the higher levels, as
well as lower levels.  Also here, continuous repetition of patterns
creates the form which may further be propagated to other areas and
levels.

If we project now this view to the human perception of knowledge,
forms constructed by streams can be easily identified in the form of
subconscious knowledge of humans that is obtained by repeating
situations and patterns of potentials of will caused by streams and
the will of forms. Moreover, if we add the description of states
together with causes for the movement we can easily see the repeating
pattern excavated in a form of knowledge. This can be then easily and
many times quite naturally projected on the cause and effect pattern,
even on the form of mathematical logic, indeed.

Levels of the fields are facts. Para-being constructed the fields in
levels since he directed the will in order to make something.
Direction and focus creates a subspace which we then perceive as a
level. Para-being was very simply interested in the certain point of
view and the will constructed the potential and potentials have built
the subspace which we then treat as levels.

Interactions between different subspaces are vast. Classical view is
that “higher” levels influence and guide lower levels. This may be
seen as an attempt to organize the field of Terra but it mainly stays
with the attempt. It can be very simply seen that fields close to
earth as well as soil tend to organize much more than the higher
waters. Lower level creatures are many times very organized and with
rich relationships to their surrounding fields. It is even so with
animals, but one can many times not say so for humans. It seems from
this perspective as a fact that the fields around the levels which we
perceive as materia are more stable relative to the structures of
fluids which may seem also from the same perspective as more volatile.

There are infinite possible levels. Every movement of will can lead to
a new direction which can then be explored and used as the separate
place for the construction of subspace. Higher and lower as treated by
humans are mostly the matter of school and the area in which school
operates. But also they differ from beauty as well as the substance of
field that can but does not need to be associated with “higher” and
“lower”. Any level can influence any other level it does not matter if
it is treated higher or lower. It is quite obvious that human haven’t
really approach closely to higher levels of nature however they are
somehow treated as lower in comparison to the mind of humanity
including many different sciences and arts. On the contrary human mind
is not close to the beauty and the creation of natural world of plants
and creatures. Moreover the knowledge to construct such beauty is also
obviously much more advanced than probably human will ever understand
and comprehend, even.

The mind is a fluctuation of waters build around an individum that
believes it exists. In this context to believe is meant as the will to
exist which is actually a “magic” in many respects. The individum has
the will to live because it exists, because it was born as a being,
even because it has no knowledge of being, and because it forgets that
it has been as some form of field. The most beautiful magic is in
forgetting that gives the absolute will to exist and being a being
through the form it has been given. The fluctuation of waters appear
because of the focus of will that is practiced by the individum. Of
course, it is thought by the parents, by the environment, by the
waters and by the local subspace.

As with being who is included in himself ad infinitum, so is the mind
inherited from the being, from the field, from the space formed by the
field, from the local spaces, levels and then parents, and parents of
parents, etc. The form of mind is always formed by mimicking the
enclosing mind. The individum after the birth is the enclosing mind
but at the same time he also is the mind of all the levels where it
exists. So it is the mind of mother, the mind of father, the mind of
the body, the mind of subspace, etc. The learning process is actually
focusing on the positions and the activities that are needed as the
individum of certain kind. However, learning is also the process of
forgetting being the enclosing minds and developing a self image in
the activities it performs.

On logos (3)

Relations between logos and others

Being the primal consequence of movement of flows, the intermediate
form among the creations of will, the waters, the spaces and the
creatures, being the primal intelligence of the complete field, and
being the primal mind of the space created by will, he is the first
prototype. Furthermore, because of the nature of the spaces, and the
nature of the flows and nature of the waters, logos tends to develop
himself in every environment.

It is apparent that there exists a dichotomy between the para-being
and logos. While para-being is the will of existence and the primal
creator, the will of evolvement, having completely different aims than
the cause and effect logic, if one can try to see and represent this
aspect, para-being is good and beautiful which can be the only
explanation by these means. If you observe any structures of the
spaces created, the beauty of the places in every direction,
regardless where we go, we have to see and realize that good and
beautiful is the least description that we can make.

However, there are differences in places of will. There are places
with strong winds, strong tensions between the poles, and various
structures with vortexes attracting strong flows.  Creatures in such
places are part of the environment and live in such conditions in
harmony with the environment. Tensions are part of creatures; they are
born in environment and from the substance comprising environment. If
they choose to change the environment and replace it with a subspace
with different structure they experience transformations, adaptations
and other changes. Individual creatures have to change their form of
will to some other form in order to balance their own existence.
Similar can appear if the structure of space is changing; two or more
different poles of the structure are coming together or if two or more
different waters are becoming one. In such conditions local knowledge
and logos evolves rapidly where he is by his function the balancing
will using his prior primal knowledge. Many times the knowledge
evolved can be different comparing to the knowledge evolved previously
in the local environment as the result of will of creatures that are
para-being; furthermore the knowledge may lead to the structure which
will is opposing the will of para-being. What may seem from the inside
good may be destructive from the more global perspective.

Logos is individual, the bounding principles emanated from reality of
will for existance. There is logos of the complete field, however, and
there is logos of individual places, logos of areas, subspaces,
countries, institutions and even families. Each of them is separate
because it is bound to the separate subspaces and therefore realities.
In each area he has the knowledge to guard and to some extent also
evolve the local area. However, the larger changes, decisions,
directions etc. require awareness of larger areas, subspaces, etc.
This can not be achieved by local logos even if he would have more
great knowledge and overview.  The only possible evolution that does
not lead to some form of destruction of the place is by para-being
itself. Of course, logos itself is necessarily involved and many times
serves as the primal means of  the evolvement.  On the other side, it
is quite obvious that leafs can devolve, transform and also fall,
which means that there can be new ones, but also new branches and
trees; on the other hand, the fall of the leaf may mean the fall of
branches,  but also trees.

The transformations from the unstable place where flows are chaotic,
hard to predict, generating strong potentials that are unstable and
usually very short. It has always been intriguing and very demanding
to support such transformations. There is really no recipe, no
knowledge, and no experience in this regards apart from logos on one
hand and apart from the support of para-being on the other. The first
is necessity because he is the most stable and the only real knowledge
in the area, the second holds the seed from para-being, the new light
of direction and also the knowledge to do transformation. The
dichotomy is thus seen in a rigidity of old structures as well as the
unusual performance of para-being as regarded by logos.

In a sense, logos represents the living knowledge possessing the will
to implement it. It possess the will because the creatures that were
involved in the assessment of particular knowledge are living, or
better, their knowledge, that is logos, is living through them because
they believe in it. The reason that they believe in the knowledge is
because of their detachment from subsuming being and by forgetting
their existence as the enveloping being.  For the same reason, logos
as knowledge may also be treated as the fixed structure reflecting the
reality of a given time.
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